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Ever wonder about the real medicinal uses of psychedelics? Wanna hear tales from the guy who did time training in the bad trip tent at Burning Man? Paul and Stephen do, so they go to the tip of the spear - straight to Johns Hopkins’ foremost psychedelics expert, Dr. Matthew Johnson.

In this mind-expanding chat, hear about Dr. Johnson’s trailblazing work to help advance the therapeutic use of psychedelics to treat depression, addiction, cancer, trauma, and PTSD.

Find out how psychedelics act as lubricants to the brain to change unwanted behavior, and finally learn the difference between a heroic dose, a moderate dose, and a micro-dose! Also - what’s the deal with sensory deprivation tanks, and why do the CIA, Cary Grant, and Nazis come up? Can Paul actually sign up to be a test-subject?

Settle in and relax as Paul and Stephen hold your hand on this trip through the very important and fascinating study of psychedelics! 

BONUS: The stoned ape theory explained! (You know you want to know!) 

Paul Giamatti is an award-winning actor and producer. Stephen Asma is a professor and author specializing in the philosophy of science, religion, and art.

Matthew W. Johnson, Ph.D., is The Susan Hill Ward Endowed Professor of Psychedelics and Consciousness Research at Johns Hopkins. Working with psychedelics since 2004, he is one of the world’s most widely published experts on psychedelics. In 2021 he received the first grant in 50 years from the US government for a treatment study with a classic psychedelic, specifically psilocybin in treatment of tobacco addiction.

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