The Real Voices of the Game Productions

The Real Voices of the Game Productions

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  • Episode 540 Toe the Rubber with Jim Rooney and Dave Dagostino

    Dr. James Andrews interview. Baseball is a development game. High School pitchers, when stress of the UCL is initiated 80 mph, danger zone 85 mph, UCL can tear at any moment 90 mph. Genetics play a role in the strength of the UCL (former MLB pitcher's son for example. Showcase baseball, ban radar guns from high school down to younger levels. Max effort throwing with heavy balls and baseballs, max effort long toss. Dr. Meister interview. Manipulation of the baseball to create new designer pitches, Dr. Meister can look at MRI and see what pitches are being manipulated based on the type of tears. Elbow positioning - this research has been around for over 30 years. Birmingham clinic DR. Andrews and Dr. Fleisig. At proper elbow position, at foot strike, 90 degrees shoulder abduction and 90 degrees elbow flexion. Allows for proper external/internal rotation. When shoulder works correctly there is less stress on the elbow. Jim Curnal shows this through pics of pitchers at foot strike. Prime movers are prime movers and stabilizers are stabilizers should be the focus. Hip Mobility - Baseball Flows Max Effort Throwing - The lost art of pitching. The built in safety valves (both mental and physical have been circumvented. Modern pitchers (throwers) are trained to bust through the barricade, instead of improving movement patterns and improving rhythm and timing to eliminate these barricades, ex. Hinge the front hip in order to get through the hip, create extension out front then rotate the trunk. All conversations that assess individual pitches to pitchers' success (Pitch Ninja video analysis) does not provide answers for what makes a successful pitcher. We compare pitches and relate it to success but we don't realize that a pitchers' combination of pitches is the package for success. Developing pitchers who can pitch is difficult. The technology shows us the result but who can teach the how to a variety individuals? Justin Orenduff - 94% of HOF pitchers went overhead with their hands. He calls it rhythmic cadence. Nolan Ryan often stated when he was struggling that he had to find his rhythm and timing. Koufax - levers in proper position. Gallo - transitions. Rooney - TripleSpin We have eliminate this to eliminate rhythm and timing problems (which has had the reverse result). We have taken the athleticism out of the pitcher. The difference between guys who can research, guys who can teach and guys who did it TC - chiropractic medicine story. My rehab from fractured neck and facial nerve damage. Dr. Ferguson Energy systems and recovery - you need all of the the energy system to be a complete pitcher. Aerobic conditioning aids in recovery. Workload / Intensity / Rest Why are pitchers out of breathe throwing a bullpen (recent experiences). Try harder mentality, max effort Anaerobic threshold training.

    1 hr 11 min
  • Episode 535 The Arm's Race with Jim Curnal and Dave Dagostino
    1. Velocity: Play broadcast audio
    …and though Jenkins was never known as a flame-throwing intimidator, his ability to pitch in the strike zone made him just the seventh pitcher in history to reach the 3,000 K mark.”
    Fergie threw 93-94 at a very conservative 5% difference (scicnce says 7-9% difference out of the hand vs. crosssing the plate). Evolution of the radar gun, Speed Gun, clocked measured in front of plate - Statcast, out of the hand) Fergie today clocked at 98-99.
    Apples to Apples: 1978: Fergie 93-94 / Gil 93-94 2024: Fergie 98-99 / Gil 98-99
    Can not be Apples to Mercedes
    Question, “Fergie was never known as a flame thrower, Luis Gil is, Why ?
    Chili Davis: Speaking of Gooden: Let me say something, man: He had gas. Natural gas, you know? Had they used the gun they're using now, wirh the technology and calibration, Doc would have been 100
    2. Spin Rate - Koufax/Blyleven /Gibson/Carlton /Ryan - what was their Spin Rates - How do they know pitchers are Spinning the ball more than Blyleven. How do they decide waht # is poor, average, good, great.
    Curve 70% 4.00 + 30% 4.50+
    #1 2,978 3.06
    #30 2,591 Spins 3x more

    3. Pitch Clock - make it simple end the arguement - :18 April/May :20 June/July
    :22 August :20 September :18 Oct/Nov
    4. TJ Recovery
    2016 147 73%
    2017 154 56%
    2018 133 62%
    2019 89 71%
    2020 57 67%
    580 67%
    Quotes from the articles re: Arm Injuries
    Red Sox righthander Lucas Giolito is out for the season after having surgery for a torn elbow ligament. It's the second such surgery he's had in his career.
    “Every single pitch is scrutinized, even when you throw in the bullpen. You get instant feedback,'' Giolito said. “For a guy trying to make the team, you have to hit certain numbers. That's always going to put more stress on the arm.''
    Verlander winces when he sees video on social media of youth players throwing as hard as they can and working on breaking balls.
    Red Sox chief baseball officer Craig Breslow,
    “It's a really difficult situation to wrap your head around, “If anyone had a perfect solution, we'd be all ears. “Teams are now investing in motion-capture technologies to try to understand how and when forces are applied to different joints.
    Elbow injuries are plaguing the entire sport. No one has unearthed a singular cause nor a surefire means of prevention.
    “There's really going to be no stopping of this pandemic,”said Reds pitcher Tejay Antone, who underwent his third Tommy John procedure on Friday. 2017 / 2021 / 2024
    "I think I have an opportunity and responsibility to do this not only for myself, but other kids out there dealing with this," Antone said on Tuesday. "The cool thing about baseball is [that] contracts are guaranteed. There's kids out there in high school or in college, their careers are over and they don't have the best medical attention in the world.
    “Anybody's at risk,” said Cleveland manager Stephen Vogt, “at any time.”
    “If you're not trying to add velocity or add a pitch,” said Cubs starter Jameson Taillon, another member of the Two Tommy Johns Club, “you're probably falling behind.”
    What can be done? Taillon overhauled his delivery after his second Tommy John surgery because he “figured that was my body telling me that something's not right.”
    Hall of Famer John Smoltz warns that's a slippery slope, though.
    “It's a misconception that has been out there forever,” he said, “that people think, ‘Well, look at every guy's comeback: They've thrown harder and they've been better.' It's a myth. “Tommy John's not normal. And we've normalized it.”
    The Real Crisis is how this is harming the 15 yr. old hurler
    1 hr 27 min
  • Episode 531 Toe the Rubber with Jim Rooney and Dave Dagostino

    Hot Topics - review Analytic is a narrowing down of a complex concept to its simplest isolated form. Ex. Velo out of hand and exit velocity.

    ERA and Batting Avg are statistics. Analytics do not judge success based on ERA or batting AVG. The cross references of velo and spin rate to ERA (comparing an analytic to a statistic). Pitching efficiency is not cross referenced to player salary. (new age pitching staffs and goal of analytical GMs) As per Verlander interview.

    Change-ups allow for mistakes in FB command. If you teach a pitcher with good analytics, how to pitch he becomes better than the opposite. Assessing individual pitches to pitchers' success (Pitch Ninja video analysis) does not provide answers for what makes a successful pitcher. Amateur ball (high school and travel) emphasis on velo, college recruiting emphasis on velo, big conference college ball emphasis on winning, pro ball scouts emphasis on velo, MILB emphasis on velo and limits on innings, MLB emphasis on velo. Where is the development? Social media arguments from parents, gurus, and coaches. Everyone wants to be proven correct. You can teach a non-athlete to throw hard, but for how long are they healthy? Very difficult for a non-athlete to repeat a delivery. Loss of athletes in USA amateur Baseball (pitchers). Developing pitchers who can pitch is difficult. The technology shows us the result but who can teach the how to a variety individuals?

    1 hr 13 min

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