Imagine winning the first season of a competition reality show — summiting an 8,000+ foot mountain over the course of two weeks with no prior experience — taking home $250,000… and then watching the episode air, only for people to question whether or not you actually won. That’s exactly what happened to Therron Pittman.

Therron competed on the first (and only) season of CBS’s The Summit, and his reality tv experience was anything but normal. In this episode, he opens up about what really happened on that mountain, reflects on the pivotal moments that never made it to air, and shares what actually went down when he reached the summit — including the confusing “extra money” twist that ultimately impacted how his win was perceived.

This also marks Therron’s first-ever podcast interview, where he finally has the opportunity to share his side of the story and set the record straight. This is the reality of: The Summit.