In this second installment of our two-part conversation, Adam Skandarani returns to explore one of the most nuanced and vital topics in our industry: the intersection of art, science, and culture in animal training.

Blending professional insight, lived experience, and thoughtful introspection, Adam and Ryan unpack the complexities that arise when training mechanics meet real-world messiness—where logical reasoning, cultural norms, and individual values can shape how training is practiced, received, and understood.

Together, we explore: ✅ The difference between applying science and embodying artistry in training ✅ How "cultural fogs" impact both client beliefs and trainer behaviors ✅ Why critical thinking and curiosity are essential tools of the trade ✅ Practical examples of shaping, splitting, and preparing for real-world success ✅ How to hold multiple truths at once—and communicate them with care ✅ The role of social media in shaping modern training discourse ✅ Adam's vision for a future guided by understanding, welfare, and curiosity

From skill-building to introspection, from koalas to kickback stands, this episode is a deep dive into what it means to be more than "just" a dog trainer. It's about becoming an effective, empathetic, and artful practitioner—for all species, including our own.

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