Conversations about transformation with leaders who are still in the arena. The guests here aren't theorists. They're practitioners who've transformed themselves, transformed systems, and know what it costs to do both.

Host Ashton Jones grew up in housing commission, learned to swim at 34 to compete in triathlons, and is now a director at Australia's largest wealth manager. He's writing Bold Water - a book about transformation as reclamation.

First episode coming soon.