They focus on the roots of the Green New Deal--Marc, its historical and political roots, Alex, it's philosophical roots--which both believe are key to successfully opposing it and advocating a positive alternative.

Some of the topics they cover are:

- How Marc became skeptical of the modern environmental movement.

- What UN climate conferences are really like--lavish parties, exotic locations, impressive carbon footprints.

- How Marc was once kicked out of a climate conference and literally thrown in the middle of the desert.

- Why Marc features EnergyTalkingPoints.com so prominently in his new book.

- What we can learn from the great economics teacher Walter Williams.

- Alex's views on the three levels of reframing the energy and climate conversation.

- Where the Green New Deal came from.

- How the Green New Deal is part of the current administration's plans.

- The wide-ranging, totalitarian scope of the Green New Deal.

- How Covid lockdowns are encouraging advocates of a totalitarian Green New Deal.