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In this episode, Doug and Mike explore the dangers of taking things literally and how that impacts both religion and science. They also dive into the mysteries of the universe, share their thoughts on the recent presidential debate, and reflect on the cultural phenomena of The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.

Key topics include:

• The Problem with Literalism: How taking things too literally, whether in religion or science, limits our ability to engage with deeper truths and mysteries.
• The Nature of the Universe: Mike reflects on the concept of an ensouled universe and the ways we engage with it—whether through science or personal experience.
• Presidential Debate Commentary: A humorous and critical look at the recent debate, touching on the absurdity of some of the comments made and the public's reaction.
• The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives: An analysis of the show through the lens of Mormon culture, the Madonna-whore complex, and how the pressure of perfection plays out in the lives of its participants.
• Scarcity vs. Abundance: How Mormonism and capitalism create competition and scarcity mindsets, and why sharing and community might be the antidote.

Join Doug and Mike for an insightful and entertaining discussion that zigzags through thought-provoking ideas and cultural critiques.