A large part of a small church budget often goes to paying the pastor. Most small churches assume there’s only one “real” model of leadership - usually the one we’ve always known - and anything different feels like failure, pride, or danger. 

But there’s no single “biblical” or “more noble” model here. Healthy, vibrant churches exist in every structure: fully paid, bi-vocational, and completely volunteer-led.

This episode lifts the shame, clears out the judgment, and helps churches learn:

1. Why there isn’t one “right” model (and why that’s such good news)
2. How assumptions, pride, and tradition shape our views without us noticing
3. The strengths + limits of paid, bi-vocational, and volunteer pastor models
4. Why most tension around leadership positions come from unspoken expectations
5. How to discern whether it’s time to rethink your model when things feel stretched or scary

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This episode reframes the entire money conversation by separating the Church from the nonprofit structure that houses it. 

We name the fear, pressure, and assumptions that swirl around finances - and then clarify why revenue impacts the organization, not the mission. 

When we stop confusing the two, financial decisions get calmer, clearer, and more grounded.

You’ll learn:

1. The difference between the Church and the 501(c)(3) that supports it
2. Why money isn’t needed to save your church (but it might save your building)
3. How identifying fear and spiritual pressure around finances is a starting point for clarity
4. The real cost of trying to raise money to keep the lights on - and how a shift can save your church culture

Check out podcast episode 187: When Your Church Feels Like It’s Dying: What to Do (and What’s Still True)

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Finding the right kind of help shouldn’t feel complicated - but between long waitlists, confusing titles, and church mixed messages about therapy, it often does.

In the final part of the Do No Harm series, Laurie and licensed therapist Kati Quigley talk about what makes finding help so hard, and why it’s still worth the effort. 

Together, they unpack the difference between a counselor, coach, and spiritual director, why “biblical counseling” can unintentionally do harm, and how to find affordable, faith-aligned options that actually support healing.

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In small churches, we’re often the first people others turn to when life falls apart - whether we’re on staff, leading worship, teaching kids, or serving on the elder board. 

In Part Two of the Do No Harm series, Laurie and licensed therapist Kati Quigley talk about what churches can do to help create more emotionally healthy spaces. 

This isn’t about becoming counselors, giving advice, or providing solutions. It’s about practicing empathy, allowing people to lean into their own painful places, listening well, and partnering with counselors and professionals we trust.

In this episode:

• How small churches can normalize therapy and mental health support
• Why awareness of reactions matters (our own and others) in ministry meetings
• How to listen better and create safer, judgment-free spaces
• The value of clear boundaries and trusted referral lists

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When the Church tries to heal what it doesn’t understand, even good intentions can cause real harm. 

In this first conversation of the Do No Harm series, Laurie and licensed therapist Kati Quigley talk about the unseen damage that happens when untrained pastoral or biblical counseling takes the place of trauma-informed care. 

It’s not about blame; it’s about awareness, wisdom, and protecting the people we’re called to love well.

In this episode:

• The difference between spiritual care and clinical therapy
• Why quoting Scripture can backfire for trauma survivors
• What “do no harm” really looks like in ministry
• The emotional fallout when help hurts
• First steps toward safer, trauma-informed spiritual care

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In this Church Spotlight, Ruth A. Popkin shares how her small church started A Really Free Market - a ministry built on listening, not assumptions. 

Instead of following trends, they followed people, meeting real needs with dignity and creativity. It’s a story of simple generosity that’s reshaping how small churches think about outreach.

Listen in for:

1. How to listen to your community before deciding what they “need”
2. The difference between following people and following trends
3. What makes A Really Free Market unique (and doable for any church size)
4. How trust, conversation, and consistency open real doors for ministry

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www.facebook.com/ReallyFreeMarketplace
www.blcin.com/the-really-really-free-market

Check out podcast episode 166: We Added Dignity To A Food Pantry With A Sit-Down Cafe | with Alastair & Nicola Bruch:
www.podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/166-church-spotlight-we-added-dignity-to-a-food/id1583416568?i=1000697609047

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When a pastor retires, moves, or suddenly steps away, small churches often feel lost in the in-between. If this is hitting home for you, you’re not alone. Pastoral transitions are on the rise as more pastors retire and fewer step into ministry roles. 

In this episode, Laurie talks with Kari Bartkus, who served on her church’s pastoral transition team, about what it really looks like to help your church through a season like this—without panic, burnout, or losing your sense of purpose.

In this episode:

1. What to focus on when your church is between pastors
2. How to care for people and keep communication open
3. Ways to fill the gaps without burning out a few key volunteers
4. Building trust and teamwork in uncertain seasons

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If your church feels “too old” or “too small” to reach young families, this episode is packed with simple, practical ideas you can try this week. 

We’re talking about how small churches can connect with young families—not by doing more, but by showing up differently. It’s not about flashy programs or keeping up with trends. 

It’s about presence, warmth, and creating spaces where tired parents feel seen, supported, and safe. Because maybe your steady, faithful little church is exactly what they need right now.

In this episode, we talk about:

• Why waiting for young families to “wander in” doesn’t work anymore
• Where to actually find families in your community and how to connect with no strings attached
• How to welcome families once they walk through the door
• Why small, older churches might be the most relevant ones of all

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You don’t need a title to change the culture of your church. You’re already carrying influence—whether anyone names it or not. 

In this Lead Well replay, we’ll talk about how emotional health, spiritual maturity, and everyday presence shift the room around us—and why that matters more than chasing status or hustling harder.

What you’ll hear in this episode:

• Why influence isn’t about titles, but about how you show up
• The link between emotional health and the culture women create in small churches
• How to recognize the impact you’re already making (without burning out)
• A freer, more intentional way to carry your voice and presence

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Tradition can be beautiful — but when “we’ve always done it this way” becomes the default answer, it stops being wisdom and starts being a wall. 

In this episode, we talk about why resistant church culture burns women out, silences new ideas, and quietly drives people away. And honestly? It’s costing us more than we realize.

What you’ll hear in this episode:

• Why “we’ve always done it this way” feels safe — but slowly kills momentum
• How resistant culture silences women’s voices and fresh ideas
• The emotional cost of keeping peace instead of naming truth
• Why new doesn’t have to mean reckless — it can mean healthier
• Hopeful ways to shift culture without losing your mind (or your faith)

Connect with Ebonie Mukasa:
www.eboniemukasa.com

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