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  • You Don't Need a Superpower, You Need a System with Amy LaBelle

    "You do not need a superpower. You simply need a system that gets you one step at a time, one day at a time, toward your goal."

    Welcome back to The Speaker Lab Podcast! This week's Alumni Spotlight features Amy LaBelle — founder and winemaker of LaBelle Winery in New Hampshire, which she started with five thousand dollars and a dream and opened 4,083 days later. Today that's two locations, 250 employees, 16,000-plus cases a year, two restaurants, roughly 700 events annually, a distillery coming online this fall, and lodging and a spa on the way. She's also an author with two books out and two more in progress. And she speaks — mostly to rooms of women leaders — on a framework she calls Count Each Day, Make Each Day Count.

    The through-line of this conversation is what Amy does with the material she already has. In March she took the stage at a conference for women leaders in hospitality, held the room for a full hour, then ran an hour-plus workshop right after it. Here's the part Dan wanted underlined: she didn't write new content for that workshop. She built one worksheet — one page, one side — and used the extra hour to walk the room through the framework on a goal each person actually had, so the thing they'd just learned got applied before life could crowd it out. Months later she ran into an attendee who was still chasing the goal she'd set that afternoon.

    Amy is also refreshingly honest about the money and the misses. She earned enough from speaking to cover her Speaker Lab investment, then enough to take her family on vacation — a trip she admits she could have paid for anyway, but that felt different coming from found money. And when two organizers came up after a talk last summer, asked for her contact information, and then went silent on her follow-ups, she does the thing most speakers skip: she looks at her own side of it. She had their emails. She didn't have their phone numbers. Dan pushes on the awkwardness underneath that — the instinct not to take up too much of someone's time — and the two of them land on why follow-up isn't a nuisance when you're the one holding the value.

    Whether you're weighing how to turn one keynote into a bigger booking, wondering if a speaking business can coexist with a demanding day job, or sitting on a stalled lead you're afraid to chase, this conversation is a practical, warm look at building it one day at a time.

    You'll learn:

    • Why a system beats a superpower, and how Amy's daily framework built a winery in 4,083 days
    • How to turn an hour keynote into a keynote-plus-workshop booking without writing new content
    • The one-page worksheet that made her framework stick after the room emptied
    • How to run a speaking business alongside a company with 250 employees
    • What it felt like when speaking income crossed over into family money
    • Why "found money" from a side hustle changes how you spend it
    • What to do when the organizers who asked for your card never write back
    • The contact-info fix that would have saved a stalled opportunity
    • Why following up isn't being a nuisance when you're the one holding the value
    • Why women hesitate longer before saying yes to their own dreams
    • The pre-stage ritual and playlist that get Amy's energy right before she walks on
    • The one action she wants every listener to take before the week is out
    • And much, much more!

    • "Sometimes people just need one person to believe in them."

      Sitting on a talk you know is worth more than you're charging for it — or a lead you've been too polite to chase? Grab a free 15-minute Speaker Business Assessment and find out exactly where you are in your speaking journey and what to do next.

      Episode Resources:

      • Get Your 15 Minute Speaker Business Assessment
      • Amy LaBelle's Website
      • Calculate Your Speaking Fee
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        39 min
      • Navigating the Fog: Getting Clear on What You Actually Want with Scott Hacker

        "We're always going a hundred miles an hour. So we never even realize that we're driving through fog all that time."

        Welcome back to The Speaker Lab Podcast! This week's Alumni Spotlight features Scott Hacker — thirty-plus years in corporate sales, now a certified high performance coach who goes by the clarity coach. His signature talk is called Navigating the Fog of Life, and the premise is simple: when you drive into actual fog, you slow down, turn off the radio, and pay attention. In our lives, we just keep going a hundred miles an hour and never notice the fog is there at all.

        Scott's recent run is a case study in the long game. He found a whole new market for his workshops in chambers of commerce and nonprofit boards, and none of it happened in one meeting. He joined the chamber. He spoke at a breakfast for free. That turned into a longer workshop, which turned into a chamber president asking him to facilitate a board retreat he had never facilitated before — so he said yes, built it out, and walked away with a board member offering to personally fund an ongoing engagement. Then there's the story Dan wanted the room to sit with: a free two-hour workshop for a women's council of realtors in January of last year, which came back around eighteen months later as a four-month multi-series mastermind. Dan also puts on his coaching hat for a stalled deal, digging into what happens when a chamber executive tells you his members want "real tools," not the soft, touchy feely stuff — and why Scott held his ground instead of building a talk that wasn't his.

        Whether you're weighing whether the next free gig is worth your time or trying to decide how hard to hold your positioning when a buyer pushes back, this conversation is a clear-eyed look at how patient, aligned work compounds into paid opportunity.

        You'll learn:

        • How a free talk for a local realtors' association came back as a four-month paid engagement
        • Why chambers of commerce and nonprofit boards are an overlooked market for workshops
        • The long game that turns one free breakfast talk into a multi-workshop contract
        • How saying yes to a board retreat he'd never run led to a funded, ongoing program
        • Why Scott starts with the business owner's mindset instead of the nuts and bolts
        • The criteria that decide whether a free stage is worth your effort
        • What to do when a decision maker says your message is too soft for his members
        • Why building the talk they asked for would have shown up on stage as incongruent
        • How alignment with your own message keeps you calm when a room pushes back
        • The once-a-month touch-base system that keeps a stalled opportunity warm
        • The daily habit that keeps a clarity coach clear
        • And much, much more!

        • "As soon as you get clarity on what it is you truly want, your actions will become a lot easier, the priorities will become easier."

          Wondering whether that next free stage is worth your time — or how to turn the ones you're already doing into paid engagements? Grab a free 15-minute Speaker Business Assessment and find out exactly where you are in your speaking journey and what to do next.

          Episode Resources:

          • Get Your 15 Minute Speaker Business Assessment
          • Scott Hacker's Website
          • Calculate Your Speaking Fee
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            31 min
          • Why Loving the Process Beats Loving the Stage with Matthew Sharpe

            “The better the foundation is, the more opportunities I'm getting to do exactly that.”

            Welcome back to The Speaker Lab Podcast! This week's episode is another alumni spotlight, and it might be Dan's favorite combination yet: Matthew Sharpe is a licensed therapist — and a stand-up comedian. He put the two together in Standup Therapy Live, where the laughs do the heavy lifting for the mental health lessons. Matt works with high-stress, high-stakes professions — healthcare workers, law enforcement, corrections officers — teaching resilience through humor, complete with a “humor lab” where he makes rooms full of uniformed officers sweat bullets by writing jokes on a 15-minute deadline.

            But the real story of this episode isn't the comedy — it's the business. Matt just booked out a full week of paid speaking for the first week of October, and every gig in it traces back to a different lesson from The Speaker Lab playbook: cold outreach to people he'd never met, follow-up that turned one law enforcement gig into a repeat booking, and a Department of Corrections client bringing him back to train staff from around their state. He's even had a gig land completely cold — the National Conference of State Legislatures found him through SEO he didn't set up. And then there's the lesson most speakers never learn: Matt genuinely loves the process. The prospecting, the pipeline, even the rejections. Dan also coaches Matt through a proposal that died on price, unpacking budget questions, decision makers, add-on gigs, and the “menu” of offerings that can save a stalled deal.

            Whether you're still chasing your first paid gig or trying to figure out why your calendar isn't as full as your talent deserves, this conversation is a masterclass in falling in love with the 95% of the work that gets you the 5% on stage.

            You'll learn:

            • How Matt booked a full week of paid speaking by following the process step by step
            • The simple cold email (“quick question — who books your talks?”) that keeps turning into gigs
            • How follow-up after a gig — the harvest — creates repeat bookings
            • Why an inbound gig from SEO is the bonus you earn for doing the work
            • The mindset shift that separates speakers who burn out from speakers who build
            • How to reframe the business side as your foundation, not the tax you pay to perform
            • The 85/15 rule of speaking — and why Dan thinks it's really 95/5
            • How Matt learned to price himself with confidence (and who convinced him to raise his fee)
            • Where a proposal to a doctors' organization stalled — and the budget questions that could have saved it
            • How add-on gigs and geographic prospecting give you room to get creative with your fee
            • Why offering a menu — keynote, workshop, reception comedy set — adds value for event planners
            • And much, much more!


            “Find something new and exciting that makes you laugh every day. It just opens your eyes to new possibilities.”

            Ready to build a speaking business that books itself — and actually enjoy the work that gets you on stage? Take the free Speaker Business Assessment at thespeakerlab.com/SBA and find out exactly where you are in your speaking journey and what to do next.

            Episode Resources:

            • Get Your 15 Minute Speaker Business Assessment
            • Matthew Sharpe's Website
            • Calculate Your Speaking Fee
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            33 min
          • The Question That Flips the Switch on Fear with Jennifer Ryan

            "What if I didn't let it stop me? What if I just push past it?"

            Welcome back to The Speaker Lab Podcast! In this Alumni Spotlight episode, Dan Irvin sits down with Speaker Lab alumni Jennifer Ryan — a speaker who just hit a real turning point. She finished her book, Be the Donkey, Not the Jackass, she's ready to take it on the road, and she's built a talk that is unmistakably her own.

            Jennifer's message starts with fear — the greatest motivator and the greatest deterrent to everything. It began with a movie, sparked a "year of yes" where she said yes to literally everything, and led her to a horse and dog rescue where two donkeys handed her the metaphor that became her book. Along the way she learned what it takes to write something deeply vulnerable, rebuild a talk after rereading her own book exposed the gaps, and differentiate herself in a world where "a million people speak about yes."

            But this conversation doesn't stay in theory. Jennifer and Dan get honest about the hard stuff: the conference that suddenly had no space for her (and no explanation why), the self-doubt train that follows silence, and the moment she realized her talks were entertaining people without actually moving them to act. Her fix — be prescriptive, give your audience exactly what to do next Monday — is a masterclass in building talks that create change instead of just applause.

            You'll learn:

            • Why fear is both the greatest motivator and the greatest deterrent
            • How a "year of yes" can completely change your trajectory
            • How to find your signature story in unexpected places
            • Why writing a book is a "humbling" exercise in vulnerability
            • How rereading your own book reveals the gaps in your talk
            • How to differentiate yourself when your topic is "already taken"
            • What to do when a reliable speaking avenue suddenly closes
            • How to handle negative feedback (and why the 2% matters)
            • The difference between entertaining an audience and moving them to act
            • Why prescriptive next steps are what turn talks into transformation
            • And much, much more!


            "A talk has done its job the moment one person decides to try something new."

            What's the question that flips the switch on your fear? Grab a free 15-minute Speaker Business Assessment at thespeakerlab.com/SBA and turn "what if" into your next step.

            Episode Resources:

            • Get Your 15 Minute Speaker Business Assessment
            • Jennifer Ryan's Website
            • Calculate Your Speaking Fee
            • Subscribe on Apple Podcasts
            • Subscribe on Spotify

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            29 min
          • Value Over Volume: Why the Best Speakers Lead by Giving with Michael Hidalgo

            "When you're late, you tell people you don't care. I didn't agree with it at the moment. But then I started really just disciplining myself. And it is hard work for me every single day to be early."

            Welcome back to The Speaker Lab Podcast! In this Alumni Spotlight episode, host Dan Irvin brings on Michael Hidalgo — a keynote speaker who helps teams actually talk to each other. His core idea is deceptively simple: words are vehicles, and what the receiver unpacks may not be what you loaded them up with. But what makes this episode fire is the business side of Michael's story — and the habits that are fueling a serious run right now.

            Start with the headline: Michael just landed his highest-paid gig yet off a single email. Except it wasn't really a single email. He did the homework — researched the organization, understood the need, sent a tailored pitch — and then heard nothing for two months. Instead of chasing with "did you get my email?", he followed up twice by adding value: an article relevant to their challenge, a lesson he learned from a client. Seventy-three days later, the planner wrote back with four words: "Are you still available?" Booked on the spot — and now they want his consulting, too.

            Then there's the keynote that produced six hot leads. Michael put a Calendly QR code on his final slide with a $50-value team assessment offer. By the time he walked off stage, four CEOs had already booked calls. He stayed for dinner with another contact who introduced him to two more executives. Two proposals went out that week. And every one of those consulting opportunities came from the speaking — the keynote was the tip of the spear.

            Whether you're figuring out how to follow up without being annoying or wondering what separates speakers who get rebooked from speakers who get forgotten, this one is a masterclass in the business behind the business!

            You'll learn:

            • Why Michael's biggest booking came 73 days after his initial pitch — and what he did in the silence that made it happen
            • How to follow up with event planners by adding value instead of asking "did you get my email?"
            • The QR code + free assessment strategy that generated six hot leads from a single keynote
            • Why speaking is the tip of the spear for consulting revenue — and how to build that pipeline from stage
            • What "be fun and easy to work with" actually looks like in practice (hint: show up early and set up chairs)
            • The pre-talk ritual Michael never skips: handwriting an abbreviated outline, connecting with the tech team, checking in with the planner, and glide-handing the room
            • How to pivot mid-call when an event planner says "this isn't what we want" — without getting defensive or losing the gig
            • Why the two magic phrases "tell me more about that" and "help me understand" buy you time and keep conversations alive
            • The difference between value addition and value extraction — and why givers get remembered
            • Why the gig is actually won before you ever send the first email
            • And much, much more!


            "How can I leave someone with something that is going to make them either personally or professionally better? How can I give something to them? I promise you that will pay dividends."

            Give more than you take? That's the whole business plan. Grab a free 15-minute Speaker Business Assessment at thespeakerlab.com/SBA and build a system that turns generosity into bookings.

            Episode Resources:

            • Get Your 15 Minute Speaker Business Assessment
            • Michael Hidalgo's Website
            • Calculate Your Speaking Fee 
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            • Subscribe on Spotify

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            36 min
          • How to Turn Free Talks Into Paid Speaking Gigs with Dr. David Chastain

            "I didn't get paid to go to Seattle, but I made a good connection there that I will be paid for."

            Welcome back to The Speaker Lab Podcast! In this Alumni Spotlight episode, host Dan Irvin sits down with Dr. David Chastain, a speaker who works at an intersection most people are afraid to even name out loud: grief and addiction, and the way the two are wound together. Grief can delay recovery, and it can trigger relapse years into sobriety — and David speaks on it from both professional expertise and lived experience.

            David has been quietly stacking wins, and almost every one of them traces back to the same source: relationships. A paid webinar that came through a former colleague. A talk for an addiction professionals association in North Carolina where one conversation with the executive director — and one leader who happened to be in the room — turned a "our keynotes are full" into a three-hour pre-conference workshop. An unpaid conference in Seattle where he worked the empty expo hall and walked away with three or four potential webinars in the pipeline. He didn't chase the money. He tended the relationships, and the money followed.

            Dan also puts on his coaching hat for a candid working session: how to handle the conference that passed on your proposal (spoiler: "apply again next year" is an invitation, not a brush-off), why you should retitle your talk to match a conference theme without rebuilding it, and the insight from a local speakers association that unlocked a whole new pitch — framing grief and addiction as the employee-retention problem businesses are already paying to solve.

            Whether you're waiting on your first paid gig or wondering whether the free rooms are worth it, this episode will change how you measure a room!

            You'll learn:

            • Why grief and addiction intersect — delaying recovery and triggering relapse even years into sobriety
            • What landing a paid webinar meant after years of speaking for free ("it's okay for me to ask for money")
            • Why your existing network beats cold outreach — and how to actually use it
            • David's "tiny book" strategy: 40 portable pages designed to sell at conference tables
            • How seeking out one executive director turned a filled keynote slate into a three-hour workshop
            • The empty expo hall trick: working vendor rooms while everyone else is in sessions
            • How to respond when a conference passes on your proposal — and why you should always reapply
            • Retitling your talk to fit a conference theme without changing the talk itself
            • The reframe that opened a corporate lane: grief and addiction as a turnover and retention problem
            • Why David stopped saying "I'm not good at networking" — and what changed when he did
            • And much, much more!


            "I've stopped saying I'm not good at networking, because the evidence says I am. It's not only the process of the events happening again — it's the process of believing that I can make this work."

            Measuring every room by what it pays you today? The unpaid room might be the seed. Grab a free 15-minute Speaker Business Assessment at thespeakerlab.com/SBA and build a system that turns connections into bookings.

            Episode Resources:

            • Get Your 15 Minute Speaker Business Assessment
            • Dr. Chastain's Website
            • Calculate Your Speaking Fee 
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            • Subscribe on Spotify

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            34 min
          • The Ugly Start: Why Momentum Beats Perfection with Chris Jackson

            "It's never gonna be right. It's gonna be good enough to get started. You have enough to get started — just get started."

            Welcome back to The Speaker Lab Podcast! In this Alumni Spotlight episode, host Dan Irvin sits down with Chris Jackson — a speaker and consultant building his business from the foundation up, getting ready to land his first paid gig in this chapter of his career. And the message he's building on is one every listener needs to feel, not just nod along to: momentum, breaking the inertia of the start, and getting comfortable with an ugly start.

            Chris's favorite analogy says it all — spaceships burn most of their fuel breaking gravity, not cruising through space. He and Dan unpack how perfectionism keeps speakers grounded, how the Speaker Bureau intake (plus some smart AI brainstorming) finally gave Chris clarity on his niche — helping high-performing dentists shift from clinician to CEO — and the proposal he sat on for weeks despite knowing every single decision maker by name. He just wouldn't pick up the phone. If you've ever been the dog sitting on the nail, this one's for you.

            Then there's the story that gave both of them goosebumps: 19-year-old Chris bombing his first tour at Atlanta's Cyclorama, until an older gentleman shook his hand, told him to slow down, and gave him a five-dollar tip — his first paid speaking gig and the feedback that launched a lifelong study of the craft. It pairs with the harder lesson that came later: someone told Chris he sounded "too motivational," and he let it shrink him until speaking wasn't fun anymore. The takeaway? Take the feedback that serves your mission, and let the rest go.

            Whether you're frozen at the starting line or sanding down your voice to fit someone else's idea of you, this episode will get you off the nail and into motion!

            You'll learn:

            • Why breaking gravity takes most of your fuel — and what that means for starting your speaking business
            • How perfectionism disguises itself as preparation (and keeps your talk grounded)
            • Get Your 15 Minute Speaker Business Assessment
            • Find Chris Jackson on Instagram
            • Calculate Your Speaking Fee 
            • Subscribe on Apple Podcasts
            • Subscribe on Spotify
            • How the Speaker Bureau intake questions gave Chris real clarity on his clinician-to-CEO topic
            • Using AI as a brainstorming partner, not a do-it-all machine — and why mastering one tool beats drinking from the tech fire hose
            • What private equity did to dental service organizations, and the pain point Chris solves for dentists
            • The "too motivational" feedback that almost cost Chris his voice — and what it taught him
            • How to tell the difference between feedback worth taking and feedback worth letting go
            • The Cyclorama story: a stranger's $5 tip that became a first paid gig and a turning point
            • Why Chris knew every decision maker for his first proposal — and still wouldn't make the call
            • Why momentum is a decision, not a feeling
            • And much, much more!


            Episode Resources:

            • Get Your 15 Minute Speaker Business Assessment
            • Find Chris Jackson on Instagram
            • Calculate Your Speaking Fee 
            • Subscribe on Apple Podcasts
            • Subscribe on Spotify


            "Do the thing that you fear the most. Make the phone call, send the proposal, show up. When you show up for yourself, that's when the magic happens."

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            Sitting on your own nail right now? Stop waiting for perfect and take the first step. Grab a free 15-minute Speaker Business Assessment at thespeakerlab.com/SBA — a real look at where you are and what to do next.

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            29 min
          • Why People Buy — and How Speakers Get It Backwards — with Kevin Sidebottom

            "You have to have influence. That's the relational collateral that gets everything done. Think of it like a bank account — the more you put in, the more you can take out when you need to."

            Welcome back to The Speaker Lab Podcast! In this episode, host Dan Irvin sits down with Kevin Sidebottom — a keynote speaker, sales trainer, and author who has spent two decades studying one question: why do people buy? And here's the fun part: the guy who teaches sales for a living is now out there selling himself, building his own speaking business. Oh, and he's a self-described introverted electrical engineer. As he puts it — he's not a unicorn.

            Kevin and Dan dig into why introversion is actually a speaking superpower (airports, Ubers, and hotel rooms are basically an introvert's training camp), what joining The Speaker Lab's Speaker Bureau unlocked in his positioning, and the warm-up system that took his outreach from crickets to three calls in one week: connect on LinkedIn first, publish consistently, and let your content make the deposit before the email ever lands.

            Then it gets tactical. Kevin breaks down why event buyers see speakers as commodities — and how influence is the only real tiebreaker. He shares his timeline for pitching January sales kickoffs six months out, why he refuses the shotgun approach in favor of the rifle scope, and the mindset he learned from a Navy SEAL mentor: follow a process, move forward, adapt, repeat.

            Whether you're hearing way more no's than yeses right now or you're ready to overhaul your outreach entirely, this episode is a sales education most speakers never get!

            You'll learn:

            • Why introverts make exceptional speakers — and how Kevin recharges with JOMO (the joy of missing out)
            • What the Speaker Bureau's gap report revealed about his positioning ("I was mortified — but gaps are opportunities")
            • Kevin's LinkedIn warm-up system: weekly blog plus video before any cold email goes out
            • Why buyers see speakers as commodities — and how influence breaks the tie
            • The mentor wisdom that stuck: "If someone says yes too quickly, be scared"
            • How "it doesn't have to be me" outreach to associations builds influence by the bucket
            • Why making the customer the hero of their story is the key to word-of-mouth bookings
            • The six-months-out timeline for pitching corporate sales kickoffs
            • The rifle versus shotgun approach to outreach — fewer targets, deeper research
            • Kevin's two signature talks: Sales Titans (Built, Not Born) and Magnetic Influence
            • And much, much more!


            "You're a salesperson as a speaker, because you have a business. All business owners are selling. And if they're not selling, they're not in business very long."


            Episode Resources:

            • Kevin's Website
            • Get Your 15 Minute Speaker Business Assessment
            • Calculate Your Speaking Fee 
            • Subscribe on Apple Podcasts
            • Subscribe on Spotify

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            Hearing more no's than yeses? That's the job — but your system might be the problem. Grab a free 15-minute Speaker Business Assessment at thespeakerlab.com/SBA and get a real look at your positioning, pipeline, and outreach.

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            33 min
          • How to Sell a Message Nobody's Heard of Yet with Danny Karon

            "I said to my wife literally yesterday: for the first time in 60 years — I just turned 60 — I feel like I've found my true calling."

            Welcome back to The Speaker Lab Podcast! In this episode, host Dan Irvin kicks off a new format — sitting down with real speakers who are a step or two ahead of you, because the fastest way to figure out your next move is to connect with someone living it right now. First up: Danny Karon, a "lovable lawyer" who spent 35 years succeeding at traditional law before walking away from it to build something nobody else is building.

            Danny calls it legal wellness — the unaddressed fourth pillar alongside physical, emotional, and financial wellness. There's a Dr. Phil for your mind and a Suze Orman for your money, but nobody teaching everyday people how to stay out of legal trouble before it starts. Danny is betting his next chapter on that open lane: a new book, a TEDx talk written for the stage, and teaching gigs at Ohio State and the University of Michigan (yes, both — they can coexist).

            But this conversation doesn't sugarcoat the pivot. Danny is candid about the part nobody warned him about: he thought that because he could speak, the business side would slide right into place. Instead he got the cold-outreach runaround — bounced between university offices, told "the students organize their own events," hearing crickets. He and Dan get tactical about where the breakdown is, why recurring events like orientation week are a goldmine hiding in plain sight, and how to make people care about a topic they've never heard of.

            Whether you're sitting in a safe career feeling pulled toward a message you can't shake, or you're mid-pivot and hitting the same walls Danny is, this episode is a masterclass in committing to a new lane before the world understands it!

            You'll learn:

            • What "legal wellness" actually is — and why the lane is wide open
            • The two observations from 35 years of law practice that triggered Danny's pivot
            • How playing the long game with relationships landed him teaching gigs at Columbia, Ohio State, and Michigan
            • What writing a TEDx talk taught Danny about his real message (hint: it's not the law — it's agency, ownership, and control)
            • The honest financial reality check you need before leaping from a stable career
            • Why "men and women ages 18 to 65" is not an audience — and how Danny niched down to college students
            • Where cold outreach to large institutions actually breaks down, and how to find the real decision maker
            • Why a missed orientation week isn't a missed opportunity — it's next year's pitch
            • How to frame a brand-new topic so prospects care about something they've never heard of
            • The "Trojan horse" strategy: pitching where event planners already book speakers on adjacent themes
            • And much, much more!


            "You never know what you're gonna find, but I do know that the only certainty is in doing nothing. And that means I have no choice but to succeed."


            Feeling pulled toward a message you can't shake? Don't spend another year sitting on it. Grab a free 15-minute Speaker Business Assessment at thespeakerlab.com/SBA and get a real look at how to turn your expertise into paid speaking.

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            36 min
          • The Truth About Speaker Bureaus: 3 Things You Need to Hear

            "I finally realized I was not paying for a service. I was paying for hope. And hope is not a business strategy."

            Welcome back to The Speaker Lab Podcast! Fair warning — host Dan Irvin is ruffling some feathers in this one. In this solo episode, he takes on one of the most common "shortcuts" speakers chase: the speaker bureau.

            Dan has personally signed up with about a dozen of them. Paid the fees, built the profiles, sent the demo reels, connected with the reps. Total paid gigs booked across all of them? Zero. Meanwhile, he's doing 40+ events a year using the exact process he teaches at The Speaker Lab. So either he's unbookable — or something about the bureau model is broken. In this episode, he breaks down exactly what bureaus are actually selling, who they actually work for, and what to do instead.

            You'll hear about:

            • Why the bureau pitch is so appealing — and why it almost never delivers what it promises
            • The difference between a booking machine and a listing service (most bureaus are the second one)
            • The four things bureaus won't help you with: positioning, marketing assets, coaching, and actual speaking experience
            • Why the speakers who get booked through bureaus are almost always speakers who were already booking themselves
            • The bureau is an amplifier, not an engine — and why most speakers have the order completely backwards
            • Dan's personal nine-month bureau experiment: paid the fee, sent everything, got zero leads — and a vague email when he finally asked what they'd done with his profile
            • The story of a woman who signed with three bureaus, paid onboarding fees, and started wondering if she was even cut out for speaking (she was — the system was the problem)
            • Why the bureau model quietly destroys speaker confidence by making you think you're the problem
            • The three things that actually get speakers booked: owning your system, working with guides who are in the trenches, and building the wraparound infrastructure
            • Why the talk is only 15% of the equation — and how bureaus won't touch the other 85%
            • And much, much more!


            "Stop renting somebody else's process. Build your own. That is where the freedom is. That is where the income is. That is where the calendar full of gigs you actually want comes from."

            Tried a bureau and hit a wall? It's not you — it's the model. Grab a free 15-minute Speaker Business Assessment at thespeakerlab.com/SBA and talk with someone who's actively getting booked and paid right now.

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            25 min

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