The first thing Gill tells me is that pirates invented insurance.
This catches me slightly off guard.
We are not discussing pirates. We are discussing business communities, loneliness, leadership and, in some vague way, the future of society. Yet somehow, within minutes, we are talking about eighteenth-century pirate ships.
"It's all in the book," she tells me.
I make a mental note to look it up later.
Conversations with Gill rarely travel in straight lines. They drift through history, sociology, education, psychology and business before arriving somewhere unexpectedly practical. She has the curious ability to make a discussion about global systems feel like a conversation about your next cup of tea.
What strikes me most is that Gill appears to have spent a significant part of her life trying to answer a question most people never stop long enough to ask.
Why have we become so disconnected from one another?
She talks about technology, social change and the gradual replacement of human interaction with convenience. She remembers outside toilets and tin baths in front of the fire. She remembers neighbours who knew one another. She remembers a world where connection wasn't something that had to be scheduled.
None of this is nostalgia. Gill isn't one of those people who believes everything was better in the past.
Listening in, I begin to realise that when Gill talks about collaboration, she isn't really talking about business at all.
She's talking about belonging.
The business language is simply the vehicle she uses because that's where she happens to spend her time.
Underneath it all is a much older idea.
That human beings are not designed to do life alone.
That most of our problems become smaller when shared.
That being heard is often more powerful than being advised.
She tells me about leaders who don't listen. About organisations where people feel invisible. About individuals carrying stories and struggles nobody around them can see.
Then she says something that stays with me.
"Sometimes people just need a damn good listening to."
As our conversation draws to a close, she quotes the anthropologist Margaret Mead.
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."
It's one of those quotes that has been repeated so often it risks losing its meaning.
Yet somehow, hearing it from Gill, it sounds less like a quotation and more like a working plan.
And perhaps that's what makes her unusual.
Most people quote ideas they admire.
Gill appears to be quietly trying to build one.
With thanks to One Golden Nugget and Maxwell Preece for editing, support and artwork