After writing Don's favorite story of last week, Michael N. Graff, an award-winning writer and editor from North Carolina, chatted about the writing life, the difference between journalism and essay-writing, the importance of nailing the most authentic details in our stories and this thing Michael has for crab cakes.

Don chats with FiveThirtyEight and ESPN's Jody Avirgan about how the 30 for 30 Podcasts idea was born, the critically acclaimed first 30 for 30 Podcasts episode The Trials of Dan and Dave and whether this is the golden age of pods or we’re sitting atop a podcast bubble that’s about to burst.

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