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Redneck. Hillbilly. White Trash. These are some of the class-based words used to describe people of Appalachia. But did you know that redneck, in particular, has a very special meaning associated with red bandanas worn in solidarity by striking coal miners? Included is an excerpted interview from 1974 with coal miners Herbert Grills and John Tiller, who talk about the "gun thugs" that terrorized miners, and their decades long battles for the union.
Then we'll go back in time to the 1500's when historian Nancy Isenberg, in her book White Trash, talks about the first origins of these words and how they became nicknames for the "expendable" working class, tracking the evolution of these words to modern times, as people begin to embrace them.

Thanks to western North Carolina's Andy Bracken for his song "Roots" from his album Fading Appalachia on Spotify.

Thanks to Appalshop and Appalshop Archive for the 1974 interview

Information cited from Nancy Isenberg's book White Trash: The 400-Year Untold History of Class in America and Storming Heaven by Denise Giardina

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Unless another artist is featured, acoustic music on most episodes: "Freight Train" written by Elizabeth Cotten and performed by Landon Spain

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Musician and storyteller Jack Beck, a native of Dunfermline, Scotland, joins me in this episode to talk about his homeland's cultural connection to the Appalachian region. He'll tell us about: how Scots-English came to be part of the Appalachian dialect (in our surnames, occupational names, and place names, for example); how he was discouraged from speaking Scots in school; the coal mining areas of Scotland, and more.

Music: Fordell Ball performed by Jack Beck, a song about a long-gone coal camp near Beck's hometown in West Fife.
Recommended reading: Wayfaring Strangers by Doug Orr and Fiona Ritchie (Jack was a consultant for this book)

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Unless another artist is featured, acoustic music on most episodes: "Freight Train" written by Elizabeth Cotten and performed by Landon Spain

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In this continuation of the Barbara Kingsolver episodes, the eastern Kentucky native gives her last talk on her novel, Demon Copperhead on the campus of The University of Virginia's College at Wise, following our discussion in Part I. She reads from the opening scene of the novel; talks about the places that inspired her in Lee County, Virginia (my home county and the setting for the book); expands on her extensive research process and how she found Demon's voice; and discusses the nonprofit she's co-founding in Lee County for women in recovery. Later, she talks about her writing process, what she's reading now, and what it was like to find out she had won the Pulitzer Prize.

Enjoy "The Waiting" by Tiffany Williams in this episode, and stream more of her music on Spotify.

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In this first of two episodes with the author of Demon Copperhead, Barbara Kingsolver says she is "bringing Demon home" in her last talk about the novel. She discusses her love of her Appalachian language, how the novel began at the desk of Charles Dickens, and her research into foster care, football, and addiction. (Recorded in Wise County, Virginia at UVa's College at Wise in April, 2024.)

This episode features music by Nashville artist and Kentucky native Tiffany Williams. "All Those Days of Drinking Dust," written and performed by Tiffany Williams from the album All Those Days of Drinking Dust (2022). You can find more of her albums at the links here and on streaming services like Spotify.

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Join us as we spend a weekend at beautiful Mountain Lake Lodge in this Appalachian Places and Spaces episode. Hear about the history of the lodge, dating back to the 1700's, and why the property was once known as "Salt Pond." We'll fast forward to the 1980's to find out how directors of the classic Dirty Dancing movie discovered Mountain Lake Lodge, and some behind-the-scenes tidbits about the movie (and the expected filming of Jennifer Grey's Dirty Dancing II.) I'll talk with VP of Sales Lyndsi Hale about how the lodge embraces its Dirty Dancing connections, and you'll hear everything you need to know about the first Dirty Dancing Summer Festival August 16-17th. 

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Dog Days has begun, and I'm exploring the origins of this 16th century phrase. Did you know the season from July 3rd to August 11 coincides with Sirius, or Canis Major (in the shape of a dog) of the Orion Constellation?  Joining me in this episode is Shallon Payne of The Appalachian Homestead, whose family-for generations-has learned and passed on the "old ways" of cultivating, foraging, hunting, and preserving their own food. We'll talk about planting by the signs as well as some Dog Days folklore (and chilling superstitions), and what a dry or wet July 3rd can mean for the rest of the season. 

Also, join in me in Knoxville, Tennessee, a beautiful southern Appalachian city. Go Vols!

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Prayer cloths are symbols of a deep and widespread faith that has been in Appalachia since its settlement. From simple squares to quilts to shawls, prayers are embedded in the fibers, along with a promise that faith has healing power. Learn about the practice of prayer cloths, the verses that may inspire them, and what they mean for the giver and recipient.

Also in this episode: the little town of Appalachia and its two world records.

The episode on the Science of Prayer with Wall Street Journal columnist Elizabeth Bernstein mentioned in this episode can be found here on YouTube

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Those of us who grew up in a "holler" know that they can be deep, dark valleys or winding roads between hills. But did you know holler also refers to yodeling, calling, yelling? And if you've never heard "holler down a rainbarrel" you might be surprised to learn what it means. We'll also explore the Americanism "lightning bug" versus the British "firefly." Finally, hear the delightful poem "Spellcheck" by Kentucky author Anne Shelby, about fighting with technology's determination to standardize our dialects.

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We know modern Appalachia isn't isolated, so why do people keep using that word to describe a region that includes 13 states and 25 million people? This episode is a commentary on the origins of isolation (the word and the concept), how that perception became grounded over the years, why it couldn't be more untrue, and how words can have the power to change the resources allocated to Appalachian parts of our states.

Then, I'll tell you about one of my favorite historic places to stay, just along the Appalachian corridor.

Sources: ARC.gov, National Geographic, Blackburn Inn and Conference Center
Documentary mentioned in the episode: The Teacher Exodus

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Early authors used "eye dialect," or a deliberate misspelling of words that doesn't change how they sound (like "tu" for "to" or "uv" for "of.") This literary practice, based on the authors' observations of what they heard people say, was to make their Appalachian characters seem foolish or uneducated. This use of eye dialect carried forward into comic characters like Snuffy Smith.
The late Dr. Michael Montgomery's research provided valuable-and more legitimate- groundwork for those of us studying dialect today, as documented in his essay "The Englishes of Appalachia" in Talking Appalachian: Voice, Identity, and Community. He isolates several words and phrases used in early letters that give us insight into how 1700's settlers of central Appalachia would have sounded, and the English, Scots, and Ulster roots that defined them.

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Unless another artist is featured, acoustic music on most episodes: "Freight Train" written by Elizabeth Cotten and performed by Landon Spain