Episode 237 — Never Forget: 25 Years Later

Twenty-five years ago, September 11, 2001 changed America forever.

In this episode, Ryan and Bob sit down for a personal conversation about the 25th anniversary of the September 11th attacks. They look back at where they were that morning, what they remember most, and the emotions that still come rushing back when they see the images and hear the stories from that day.

They talk about what “Never Forget” means to them—not just remembering the nearly 3,000 lives lost, the first responders who ran toward danger, and the families forever changed, but remembering how Americans came together in the days and weeks that followed.

Then comes the difficult question: What the hell happened to us?

Twenty-five years later, America can feel more divided than ever. Ryan and Bob discuss how we went from seeing neighbors helping neighbors and Americans standing together to a country where political disagreements can turn into genuine hatred.

That conversation also leads into the one-year anniversary of the assassination of Charlie Kirk and the disturbing reality of seeing people celebrate the killing of someone because they disagreed with his politics. Regardless of which side you're on, when did political disagreement become a reason to celebrate another American's death?

This isn't about Republican versus Democrat. It's about remembering that we're Americans first.

Remember the victims. Remember the heroes. Remember how you felt that day. Remember how this country came together.

Never Forget. 🇺🇸

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Chad Stewart from the Michigan DNR is back on the Terrible Outdoorsman Podcast—and after 99 episodes away, there’s plenty to talk about.

Ryan and Bob sit down with Chad, Michigan DNR Cervid Supervisor covering deer, elk, and moose, for an in-depth conversation about the current state of Michigan’s whitetail herd, why deer management looks completely different depending on where you hunt, and some of the biggest regulation changes Michigan hunters have seen in years.

Chad breaks down why deer numbers remain a concern in much of the Upper Peninsula, including the effects of habitat, increasingly severe winters, predators, and declining hunter participation. Meanwhile, southern Michigan faces almost the opposite problem: areas with extremely high deer numbers and a need to increase antlerless harvest.

Then we get into the meat and potatoes—the new deer regulations.

We talk about Michigan moving toward a one-buck limit in the Lower Peninsula, earn-a-second-buck counties, antler point restrictions, changes to the December firearm season, and whether limiting hunters to one buck will actually encourage more hunters to put does in the freezer.

We also discuss what the one-buck rule could mean for hunting culture in Michigan, whether hunters will become more selective, changes to firearm regulations in southern Michigan, the difference between DNR recommendations, NRC decisions and laws passed by the legislature, the return of recreational deer feeding, baiting confusion, and of course…the topic we couldn't let Chad leave without discussing: CWD.

This is a must-listen episode for Michigan deer hunters heading into hunting season.

Grab a cold one, settle in, and hear the conversation straight from one of the people helping oversee Michigan’s deer, elk, and moose management.

Get outdoors and don’t be terrible.

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235. It Smells Like Hunting Season

Captain JG is back, and you can feel it—the days are getting shorter, fall is getting closer, and it smells like hunting season.

Before we completely shift into deer mode, the guys catch up on summer fishing. Jason recaps a Fourth of July bass trip where seemingly every lure he tied on worked, plus the family salmon trip to Ludington that brought fish, fog, rough water, and a couple of seasick passengers. Ryan also talks about some ridiculous summertime night fishing where catching 20 bass somehow qualifies as a slow night.

Then the conversation turns toward fall.

The guys talk about the best days of the rut, Halloween hunting traditions, deer camp, opening day, and Jason's difficult decision to potentially sacrifice one of the best hunting weekends of the year for a trip with his wife. That's true love right there.

They also dive into thermal drones for deer recovery, tracking dogs, blood trails, and that awful moment after the shot when you're absolutely convinced: “I definitely hit him.”

Finally, they call out some of the classic lies every outdoorsman has heard—or told.

“That fish was at least 28 inches.”

“That deer was 80 yards away.”

“That buck was definitely 150.”

“I definitely hit him.”

Sure it was. 😂

Plus, muskie plans, hunting stories, daylight saving time, and plenty of terrible opinions as we officially start counting down the days until deer season.

Fall is coming. Hunting season is almost here.

Get outdoors and don't be terrible!

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How much technology is too much when it comes to hunting?

Ryan and Bob are back behind the mics and picking up the conversation about how much we’ve overcomplicated hunting. From DeerCast and cellular trail cameras to thermal drones, LiveScope, rangefinders and the never-ending pile of new hunting gear, the guys debate whether all this technology is making us better hunters—or replacing the woodsmanship and experience that used to come from simply putting time in the woods.

The conversation turns to one of the bigger questions: Are trail cameras really fair chase? If a cellular camera tells you a buck is headed your direction while you're sitting in the stand, how different is that from using a drone to locate deer? And where exactly should we draw the line?

They also get into DeerCast predictions, the ridiculously complicated Michigan hunting regulations, LiveScope and fishing technology, modern hunting gimmicks, expensive gear, broadheads, bait and flavored deer feed—and how hunters will apparently buy damn near anything if someone promises it'll help them kill a bigger buck.
But underneath all the technology and gear, the message is pretty simple: there's no gadget that can replace experience. Play the wind, learn the woods, put in the time and remember that hunting isn't always about killing something. Sometimes you just need to get your ass in the woods.

Plus, some camper talk, upcoming hunting plans, UP partridge hunting, tree stand safety and plenty of the usual terrible conversations along the way.

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With Ryan off camping, the inmates are officially running the asylum. Bobtastic and Captain JG take over Episode 233 for a leaderless edition of The Terrible Outdoorsman—and somehow they actually manage to talk about the outdoors.

With hunting season creeping closer, the guys talk Halloween hunts, Michigan bowhunting, tree stands vs. saddles, hunting the U.P., and whether hunters have completely overcomplicated something humans have been doing for thousands of years. Do we really need another app, another piece of gear, perfect scent control and a $1,000 outfit just to go sit in the woods?

That leads into trophy culture, social-media deer judges, trail cameras, expensive gear and why the first question after someone shoots a buck shouldn't always be, "How big is it?" Somewhere along the way, hunters also get compared to highly organized deer assassins.

Dan even drops in from the hospital for a few minutes with an update on his family—and, naturally, a massive burrito—before Bob and JG get back to solving all of hunting's problems.

But underneath all the terrible advice is a pretty simple message heading into hunting season: slow down and enjoy it. Hunt the deer you want to hunt. Fish when you want to fish. Sleep in at camp once in a while. Sit around the fire. Make memories. Stop worrying about whether you're doing everything "right."

Sometimes just being there is the win.

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Ryan and Bob are finally back behind the microphones together, and as usual, the conversation goes completely off the rails.

The guys start by calling each other out for not spending enough time on the water before swapping fishing stories, discussing giant Muskegon sheephead, night fishing, and making the most of a Michigan summer before hunting season takes over.

Then things get a little more serious as they dive into the growing controversy surrounding massive AI data centers coming to Michigan. Are they necessary for advancing technology, or are they creating more problems than they solve? The conversation explores water usage, power consumption, local opposition, and what these projects could mean for Michigan's outdoor resources.

They also weigh in on Flock cameras, privacy, AI, and the challenges of balancing technology with personal freedom before shifting to one of Michigan's hottest hunting topics: the new backyard deer feeding law and why it has so many hunters scratching their heads when baiting is still illegal in much of the state.

To wrap things up, Ryan shares details about his 9/11 Twin Towers Stair Climb Challenge—a fitness challenge to honor the firefighters and first responders who climbed into danger on September 11th—and invites listeners to join him.

Whether you agree with every opinion or not, it's another classic Terrible Outdoorsman conversation full of laughs, debates, and a healthy dose of Michigan outdoors.

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• Night fishing
• AI data centers in Michigan
• Water use and power grid concerns
• Flock cameras and privacy
• AI-generated content
• Michigan's backyard deer feeding law
• CWD and baiting debate
• Ryan's 9/11 Stair Climb Challenge
• Fitness motivation and getting back outdoors

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After a few weeks away from the mic, Dan is back—and it doesn't take long before things go off the rails.

The guys ask listeners who they'd like to hear as future podcast guests, tease some exciting upcoming collaborations, and highlight the incredible work being done by Michigan Track Chair and Michigan Operation Freedom Outdoors.

Then... things take a turn.

A message sent through the podcast website sparks a surprisingly heated debate over the authorship of the classic deer camp poem Palace in the Popple. Dan has some strong opinions, Ryan does some digging, and the guys share their side of the story.

To cool things down, Ryan recaps a busy week on the water—from family fishing at Kensington Metropark to frustrating goby attacks while chasing Lake Sturgeon on the North Channel, plus another successful night chasing bass on Thompson Lake. Along the way they swap stories about traffic nightmares, boat positioning, fishing strategy, and why being the captain of the boat isn't always as easy as it looks.

Whether you're here for hunting traditions, fishing stories, or Dan's legendary rants, this episode has a little bit of everything.

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• Michigan Track Chair
• Michigan Operation Freedom Outdoors

• The Palace in the Popple controversy
• Kensington fishing recap
• North Channel sturgeon fishing
• Gobies stealing bait
• Thompson Lake night fishing

• Boat positioning and fishing strategy
• Sponsor updates and upcoming events

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This week, we took The Terrible Outdoorsman Podcast where it belongs—on the water! We recorded live from the North Channel while chasing lake sturgeon at sunset, swapping stories, battling bait-stealing gobies, and watching giant sturgeon launch themselves out of the water all around us.

From fishing tactics and gear to the chaos of recording a podcast in a boat, this episode is packed with laughs, terrible stories, and plenty of outdoor adventure.

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This week on The Terrible Outdoorsman Podcast, Ryan and Bob tackle some of Michigan's hottest topics—literally.

First up, they dive into the massive Cyclospora outbreak, or as just about everyone is calling it, "the lettuce disease." Thousands of Michiganders have come down with the nasty intestinal parasite, proving once again that maybe your mom was right about eating your vegetables... or at least washing them first. The guys break down what Cyclospora actually is, how it's spreading, and why your Caesar salad may suddenly seem a little more suspicious than that questionable gas station sushi.

They also discuss the Canadian wildfire smoke that's turned Michigan's skies hazy once again and the brutal summer heat that's making every trip outside feel like you're walking into a giant air fryer. From smoky sunsets to sweating through places you didn't know could sweat, Ryan and Bob share their thoughts on surviving another classic Michigan summer.

To wrap things up, Bob brings in an article ranking the 21 most overrated things about the state of Michigan, and the debate gets surprisingly heated. Which Michigan icons deserve the criticism? Which ones should be left alone? And how many of the list's takes are just plain terrible? The guys don't hold back as they defend (or roast) some of the Great Lakes State's biggest attractions and traditions.

If you enjoy outdoor talk, current events, plenty of laughs, and two guys who aren't afraid to argue over lettuce and Michigan landmarks, this is an episode you won't want to miss.

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🎯 Ever wondered what it takes to become a champion in the world of sporting clays?

In this episode, Danielsan's flying solo with the incredible Stephen Steele, the 2026 Michigan Sporting Clays State Champion. 🎉

We dive into his journey from taking time off to making a spectacular comeback. Stephen shares how the community welcomed him back and the thrill of competing again. 🏆

Whether you’re a seasoned shooter or just starting out, this conversation is packed with inspiration and tips for anyone wanting to get back into the game.

Let’s keep the passion alive!

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