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December 08, 202011. WEDDINGS - It's a tricky thing...
Weddings are thorny right? From trying to juggle bridesmaids to trying to juggle feminism; from in-law relationships to marquee costs to eco-guilt.
Of course, weddings are also incredible but sometimes the lead-up and the day itself can be unforgettable in all the worst ways. Well we've tackled every aspect of pre-wedding stress over the last 10 episodes and 6 guest specials of The Thing About That and now it's time to close the door on this particular topic. We've discussed: Why would a modern woman even choose to get married? In heterosexual couples, should a woman still be taking a man's surname? How can the Wedding Dress industry shake off the ugly shackles of diet culture? We've heard from elopement photographers, female proposers, Hindu-Punjabi divorcees and gay grooms. It's been fascinating and joyful. But in this episode, Becca, Hettie and Lucy break down the lessons learnt over the past series, from understanding the value of involving your parents and in-laws to learning about how to be more sustainable in your event-planning choices.
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Series 1, Episode 11 length: 52 mins 19 seconds
What have we learnt? (01:35)
Balancing your own feelings and the feelings of others in the wedding context

What is the social function of getting married if not to involve your family and people you love

Shobna Gulati, Amy Anaiz and Freddie Hutchins - the importance of family and community in a wedding.

Lesson 1: You can’t please all people all the time
How does our image of marriage still need to change? (11:22)
Books, films, TV need to show relationships that do not end in marriage

Social responsibility to avoid clichéd questions when talking to engaged people
In what way has our thinking changed because of this podcast (14:14)
Becoming more analytical in one's thinking, which does not actually lead to an easier life.

The division of labour when it comes to planning a wedding has still got a long way to go: It should not just be on the woman to deconstruct old traditions.

“Feminists alike, if they’re worth their salt, will want you just to feel like you have the option.”

Bringing awareness back to the sustainability of the day. How do our everyday values just fall off a cliff when we start planning a wedding?
Know where the individuals desires of a wedding come from (27:43)
Does one person in the couple want the big wedding day more than another? That’s ok. Know who that is and what the drive for the day is. Accept that.
Wedding-planning as great marriage-training (31:28)
Learn what you can from the hard conversations and the tricky decisions involved in planning a wedding day.

Teaches you what is important to both of you.
Analysing the experience of making a podcast (36:11)
Podcasting as a creative outlet to balance out the professional side of your life

Bonding with strangers around the world

Learning about one’s own strengths and weaknesses
Favourite episode from the series (42:30)
Becca’s choice: Elopements with Maddie-Mae from Adventure Instead.

Lucy’s choice: Proposals

Hettie’s choice: Surnames and The Dress
Thank you for listening!
53 min
November 18, 2020Hindu Weddings: TTAT x Shobna Gulati
It's time to get a bit of wisdom and perspective from actress and author Shobna Gulati!
In this special episode of The Thing About That, we hear from Shobna Gulati, star of Coronation Street, Dinnerladies and Everybody's Talking About Jamie. She opens up about the expectations of marriage within her Hindu Punjabi family, what her favourite bits of a Hindu wedding are and what happens when your marriage doesn't actually last forever...
Take a listen and then drop us a review or give us a cheeky star-rating! Also be sure to subscribe to make sure you don't miss any of our other episodes.
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Guest Special length: 34 mins 36 seconds

Marriage expectations within a North Indian family (02:24)
Cultural pressures added to patriarchal pressures.

Match-making and rishta. What makes a good match?

When losing a father pushes you into the arms of a husband too quickly.

Gender specific pressures (09:32)
Why hasn't the world caught up with the idea that you can be an unmarried woman and secure.

Expectation to join the Indian Society at university and meet a husband there.

Shobna's favourite hallmarks of a Hindu wedding (12:01)
Promises around the fire.

Enormous guest lists of people you don't necessarily know.

Mehndi ceremonies and beautifying the bride and groom.

What happens after divorce? (19:51)
Is your identity tied up in your relationship with your husband?

Sense of injustice and guilt when the marriage didn't work out.

The idea of a marriageable age.

Kamala Harris: "I'm speaking now."

The finances of a Hindu wedding (28:20)
Bollywood productions.

Dowries.

Punjabi wedding traditions (29:30)
Girls stealing the man's shoes, like bridesmaid gifts.

Bringing the family in and joining 2 families together.

And you can find Shobna's book Remember Me? here: https://blackwells.co.uk/bookshop/product/Remember-Me-by-Shobna-Gulati-author/9781788402477

Thank you for listening!
35 min
November 11, 2020Guest Special: TTAT x Future Husbands
Shall we let the boys have a say...?
In today's episode of The Thing About That you'll finally hear from the fiancés/husband elects/star partners of our 3 hosts, Becca, Hettie and Lucy. For a whole series we've spoken on their behalf and laid bare our own souls, sometimes at their expense! But now we're giving them the floor. How did Ben respond when Becca caught him picking an engagement ring? When did Jacob decide to take Hettie's surname? What incentivised Tris to propose within 8 months and was Lucy's reaction distressing? How can you actively combat toxic masculinity in your romantic choices? Why might you still choose to ask a father's permission to marry his daughter in this day and age? We force the men to talk about and contemplate weddings just as much as we women find ourselves forced to contemplate the subject on a daily basis.
Take a listen and then drop us a review or give us a cheeky star-rating! And if you've missed our earlier episodes, Also be sure to subscribe to make sure you don't miss any forthcoming episodes.
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Guest Special 5 length: 56 mins 38 seconds

Hettie talks to the future Mr Becca (00:40)
Picking the engagement ring.

How to surprise a partner who loves to be in control.
Lucy talks to the future Mr Hettie (05:22)
Love at first sight.

Difficult conversations with family members over certain wedding choices.

Combatting toxic masculinity: How it feels to be a man taking his wife's surname.
Becca talks to the future Mr Lucy (38:37)
The ease of marriage for a heterosexual male.

Proposing within a year of meeting.

First-hand experience of asking a father's permission.
Recommendations mentioned in the episode:
Untamed by Glennon Doyle.

Thank you for listening!
57 min
October 30, 2020 10. WEDDINGS - The Costs
In this revolutionary new episode, we're ripping off the bandaid and talking wedding finance!
In Series 1, Episode 10, Lucy, Becca and Hettie Allen open up their spreadsheets and their bank statements in a gesture never yet heard of on a wedding-planning podcast. Or any podcast for that matter. In an effort to make sure that men and women who are going through the wedding circus are enlightened and empowered, we're going to be super honest and candid about the numbers we're spending on all the big hitters of a wedding. From food and drink, to music and marquees, as well as all those hidden smaller costs of a wedding that you never predict.
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Series 1, Episode 10 length: 53 mins 47 seconds

13:00 - Catering
19:12 - Venue & marquees
27:03 - Flowers
31:06 - Alcohol
33:00 - Bridesmaid Outfits / Hair and Make-up / Funding accommodation for others
39:53 - Wedding Dress
43:44 - Photographer
46:46 - Band / Entertainment
50:03 - Admin fees

Thank you for listening!
54 min
October 19, 20209. WEDDINGS - Sustainability
We've got all the top tips on how to make your wedding eco-friendly, and not 1 of them is about plastic straws...
The reality is that to truly go green on your big day, you really ought to not have a wedding at all! But if throwing an enormous event to celebrate your love is a non-negotiable, there are all sorts of things to consider if you want to make the day as kind to the planet as possible. And we at The Thing About That can help! When it comes to reducing your carbon footprint, there's loads to consider from plants vs. flowers to vegan menu choices to rental wedding dresses. With a little help from Stylist journalist Alessia Armenise, in Season 1 Episode 9 we lay down the law for you and give you a brilliant sustainable check-list to adhere to.
Take a listen and drop us a review or give us a cheeky star-rating! Also please subscribe and stay with us on this crazy journey!
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Series 1, Episode 9 length: 47 mins 51 seconds
05:50 - Summary of tips
Reduce your guest list

Pick your location wisely

Avoid imported flowers

Source local food

Second-hand bridal gowns
10:00 - The problem with the industry
The wedding industry is all about newness and uniqueness, so we need to force them to change.
14:13 - Alternatives for wedding presents
Your presence is our presents

Donations to charities

"Something old, nothing new, something borrowed, something renewed"
16:56 - Sharing/re-using
Rent your bridal gown, but also encourage your guests to rent their outfits

Can you share decorations/crockery with bride friends?
23:05 - Interview with Alessia Armenise
International weddings are difficult

Can guests travel to your wedding by train rather than plane

Limit the stationary
25:06 - Lesson 1: HAVE FEWER PEOPLE
Gathering large numbers of people in one place and entertaining them is an unsustainable activity.

Request no gifts, or experiential gifts rather than material products.
28:58 - Lesson 2: PICK A BEAUTIFUL LOCATION THAT NEEDS NO EMBELLISHMENT
Look at the location in a naked way and imagine how it would be with not that many things in it.
29:44 - Lesson 3: HOLD BACK ON THE FLOWERS!
They are compostable, so throwing them away is not the issue so much as their location of origin.

Big carbon footprint

Use potted: lavender pots, lemon trees, olive trees.
32.09 - Lesson 4: SECOND-HAND OR RENTAL BRIDAL GOWNS
One-wear fashion is the worst!

Re-use by changing the hem or dying a different colour

Vintage dresses or second-hand bridal boutiques in Hackney, East London
35:16 - Time for sustainable wedding planners
The challenge of keeping all the activity spikes of a wedding without being unsustainable

Don’t have a wedding that needs a Plan B.
42:06 - Lesson 5: BUY LOCAL
To vegan or not to vegan: vegetarian and vegan wedding menus are not always as sustainable as meat from a more local region.

Vegan can be a bold choice to make without getting your guests’ back up.
42:40 - Don’t let perfect be the enemy of the good.

Find Alessia Armenise here:
www.prettyslow.life
@alessiaarmenise

Thank you for listening!
48 min
September 25, 2020Gay Weddings: TTAT x Freddie Hutchins
Same-sex weddings are leading the charge in tradition-breaking days!
In this special episode of The Thing About That, we chat to theatre actor and bezzie mate of Lucy Eaton: Freddie Hutchins. He talks candidly about all the ups and downs of planning his beautiful autumnal wedding in Kew Gardens, London, as a gay man. As well as getting some crazy helpful tips on how to delegate roles amongst your bridal party and what is best to spend your money on (btw it's a photographer), we analyse why LGBTQ+ weddings are some of the most liberating experiences. There's no antiquated blueprint to follow, no specific bride and groom so the pressures are less. Why can't we all just start from a similarly open-minded base line? How different would weddings look if we could?
Take a listen and then drop us a review or give us a cheeky star-rating! Also be sure to subscribe to make sure you don't miss our upcoming guest episodes.
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Guest Special 3 length: 41 mins 52 seconds

Meet Freddie and Oli (01:15)
That "fearing a proposal" feeling (03:02)
"I did live in terror of him getting down on one knee!"

Why do we always panic in a romantic setting that a proposal is coming?
As a same-sex couple, was it always clear which of you would take the initiative on proposing? (04:04)
Why marriage? (04:40)
When you're distrustful of the idea of marriage, feeling ok with it for the other person is the final test.

"I don't want to do this because it is the right thing to do."

No engagement rings
How involved were family and friends? (07:51)
Lucky to have family "who fully love and support us as gay men."

Generational differences, such as parents asking "which of you is the bride?"
Same-sex marriages leading to a more open-minded, instinctive planning experience (13:00)
2 men getting married immediately means there is less of a blueprint.

Pressure to follow old traditions is slightly gone.
When is tradition helpful? (17:40)
Having a blue-print of a ceremony can be helpful in manipulating emotion and structuring a service.

When you remove hymns from a service, how do you get everybody to sing together?

Alternative songs for group singing: Five Gold Rings, Yellow Submarine.

How to guide your registrar or vicar to get your tone in the ceremony.
What was restrictive in the process as a homosexual groom (21:28)
Very little: "We were able to escape the wedding mania that is piled onto straight people getting married."

Know what to fight for / what is important with your venue and team
Multiple brief speeches (26:30)
5-minute maximum speeches from various family and friends.

How to give your VIP guests roles. Know when to delegate roles.
What if you're a bride or groom who hates being the centre of attention? (30:50)
Bring all your friends into the creation and planning, so the day is about them as much as you.

Reading, singing, witnessing, recording, cake making etc.

But ALWAYS HIRE A PROFESSIONAL PHOTOGRAPHER!
You can find Freddie's recommendation Bride Book here: www.bridebook.co.uk
Thank you for listening!
42 min
September 11, 2020Guest Special: TTAT x Amy Anaiz NYC Wedding Photographer
A fiercely honest and joyful chat with Afro-latina photographer Amy Anaiz?? Yes please!
Amy is a New York City based wedding photographer, who specialises in intimate weddings in fabulous city locations. She's been featured in the New York Times, Brides, Buzzfeed, Huffington Post, The Knot, E! and TLC! She loves to capture and celebrate brides and grooms of all shapes and colours, and today's special episode delves into the tough and thorny conversations in the wedding industry today, holding no punches. Why does the industry still look so white? And what are the worst aspects of being a wedding photographer?
Take a listen and then drop us a review or give us a cheeky star-rating! Also be sure to subscribe to make sure you don't miss our upcoming guest episodes with industry professionals, gay grooms and even our very own husband elects!
Email us on [email protected] or comment on our social media accounts with your questions and suggestions for future conversation.
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Guest Special 3 length: 35 mins 31 seconds

Does photographing weddings make you more or less of a romantic (01:28)
Why is the classic bride in all imagery white? (02:35)
How Amy prioritised showing people of colour in her bridal photography.

The media's response to imagery showing darker-skinned models.

Skills required to capture the curvy bride and how to perfectly photograph a multi-racial couple.
Female photographer vs male photographer (08:25)
Why might a bride want a female behind the lens

Resisting the male gaze

Differences between male and female photography work
Photographing the groom (11:55)
How are men changing in regards to their view of how to present themselves and document themselves on the day?

Let's bring the man to the front of the picture too! It's time for them to be the lead actor alongside women, rather than the supporting cast.

Why does Amy choose to make contact with the bride rather than the groom (in a heteronormative marriage)
Elopements so white (16:30)
Why super-small weddings are less appealing to the black community.

The importance of families and the tradition of the large African wedding.

Marriage as a joining of entire communities as well as a promise between 2 individuals.
Worst parts of being a wedding photographer (20:25)
Groomsmen hitting on you at the reception

Contractual clauses to state that harassment means Amy and her team can remove themselves from the event.
Uncomfortable, important conversations about equality and race (23:20)
Amy's book club and her desire to offer a safe space for white friends to understand their role in the BLM movement.

How can wedding vendors support their black colleagues.

Black businesses finally being seen on an equal plain.

Advice for vendors working with clients from a different cultural background.
Amy's favourite wedding (32:31)
Tosin and Dave's marriage between Jewish American groom and Nigerian American bride.

How to create a wedding that merges cultures perfectly.
And you can find Amy at:
www.amyanaiz.com
@amyanaizphoto
And here's that wonderful favourite wedding: https://amyanaiz.com/the-foundry-long-island-city-new-york-wedding-amy-anaiz

Thank you for listening!
36 min
August 28, 20208. WEDDINGS - Hen dos
"BRIDE-TO-BE!" sashes, willy straws and a healthy dose of friendship rivalry: it must be a hen do!
Today we break down hen dos, stag dos, bachelorette parties, bridal showers... whatever you wanna call them! From the sentimental (memory books) to the sordid (strippers) and everything in-between (the obligatory lasagne and garlic bread night), we ask all the important questions on Season 1, Episode 8 of The Thing About That. What actually is the purpose of a hen do? What's with the highly-sexed heteronormative traditions? Would you rather plan it yourself or have the whole thing a surprise? Lucy is angry, Hettie is cautious and Becca is still traumatised from one particular hen-do memory, which you simply HAVE to listen to. Whether you're a bride-to-be or a groom-to-be or a bridesmaid or a wedding guest, you'll relate.
Take a listen and then drop us a review or give us a cheeky star-rating! Also be sure to subscribe to make sure you don't miss our final guest episodes, where we're talking to wedding planners and the husband elects: Ben, Jacob and Tris!

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Series 1, Episode 8 length: 36 mins 09 seconds

Virtual Hen-dos during lockdown (02:09)
Joint hens and stags (hag-dos.)

Why do we separate the genders?
The purpose of a bachelor or bachelorette party (05:22)
Helping all your friends to get to know each other before the wedding.

Gender-division: boy-time or girl-time.

Celebrating your "last night of freedom."

FOR the friends. They want to celebrate you getting married.
The pressures of a hen-do (11:08)
Friends feeling like they have to plan the most thoughtful, intimate gathering ever.
Gender balance (12:10)
Hen pressures VS stag pressures. Female VS male.

Women feeling more emotionally pressured to prove their love.

Men more chilled out, but as such, occasionally neglectful.
Other people's opinions (16:40)
Even in the bachelor and bachelorette party, everyone weighs in with their thoughts.

Becca describes the reaction to planning a joint hen/stag do.
A traditional hen-do (18:38)
Feminine energy differentiates it from other parties.
The uncontrollable expense and length of hens and stags (19:35)
How can we keep the price down?

How to control your anger!

The exhausting energy of being on form with people you don't know for a whole weekend.

Money means different things to different people.
The enemy is activities (22:00)
The average hen party in the UK costs £357.

How to plan a calmer event that still kicks ass.

Advice on being clear with your bridal party as to what you're expecting, whether big or small.
The uncomfortably sexualised heteronormative style of hens and stags (29:32)
Does anybody enjoy it when the stripper appears?

Hilarious tales of uncomfortable hen do / bachelorette party moments.
Link to the Alessia Armenise article referenced by Lucy: https://www.stylist.co.uk/long-reads/hen-do-dread-cost-friendship-weddings-bachelorette-parties/312662

Thank you for listening!
37 min
August 21, 2020Elopements: TTAT x Adventure Instead
Elopements are cheap and secretive runaway weddings in Vegas, right?? WRONG!
It turns out elopements today are deeply desirable, jaw-droppingly beautiful and heart-breakingly intimate versions of a wedding that bring all the wow-factor and none of the drama! In this guest special, your The Thing About That hosts chat to Maddie Mae, founder of Adventure Instead: a company that specialises in organising, planning and photographing elopements. Hettie, Becca and Lucy learn all about how elopements have changed over the years and why they are now such a sought-after and non-traditional way of getting married. This episode tells you everything you need to know about elopements. Trust us - by the end, you'll wish you were eloping...
Take a listen and then drop us a review or give us a cheeky star-rating! Also be sure to subscribe to make sure you don't miss our upcoming guest episodes and final Series 1 discussions on hen-dos and LGBTQ+ weddings.
Email us on [email protected] or comment on our social media accounts with your questions and suggestions for future conversation:
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Guest Special 2 length: 30 mins 49 seconds
Introducing Maddie Mae (00:34)
Founder of Adventure Instead, an elopement photographer specialising in elopements and intimate weddings

What is the meaning of an elopement? And how has our image of elopements changed historically?
Why do elopements still have traditional trappings? (04:)
The white dress and the exchanging of rings is still often there. Why?

How to make your wedding unique and personal. Maddie Mae talks us through how to plan your perfect day
Why should you elope? (07:26)
Why do couples elope? We hear the Adventure Instead data

"Just us" experience / shedding family drama / wanting to use less stuff
What is the process of planning an elopement? (09:59)
What to expect if you want an elopement company to help you elope
Is elopement an act of romance or defiance? (11:33)
Finance as a driver (13:50)
Elopements can be cheaper or just as expensive. Money spent on different things

Misapprehension that elopers are cheap
How to manage the family if you choose to elope (14:54)
Real life elopement example (16:30)
Maddie Mae talks us through her own elopement in Peru on New Year's Day!

Glampacking in Incan ruins with a wedding at sunrise

Wedding dress bought on Etsy
How to be "invisible" as an elopement photographer (19:26)
How aware is the couple of an elopement photographer?

The intimacy of the relationship formed between client and provider. Lucy also discusses her experience with Revels in Hand clients.

Photographer experience in big weddings vs elopements
The start of your elopement day (24:45)
How does Maddie Mae kick off the special day for the couple?

How to connect with your partner at the start of your wedding day

Higher emotions in more intimate weddings

You can find Maddie Mae and Adventure Instead at:
www.AdventureInstead.com
@AdventureInstead on Instagram
And you can find the photography academy Maddie Mae spoke about here:
www.AdventureInsteadAcademy.com
@AdvtureInsteadAcademy on Instagram
And a free Educational Facebook Group for Aspiring Adventure Wedding & Elopement Photographers:
www.facebook.com/groups/weddingsandwanderlust

Thank you for listening!
31 min
August 14, 2020Guest Special : TTAT x Magpie Wedding
It’s time to hear from the wedding experts!
In a series of special guest interviews over the next month, we’re going to feed your ears all the expert insight you need from people in the alternative wedding bracket. Today’s guest, Kate Beavis, is founder of Magpie Wedding: the ultimate go-to guide for non-traditional and vintage weddings. We discuss how to find inspiration for a non-traditional wedding, what do you do if your period lands on your wedding day and where the wedding industry still needs to pick up the pace a bit on its awareness of LGBTQ+ marriages and non-heteronormative couples.
Take a listen and then drop us a review or give us a cheeky star-rating! Also be sure to subscribe to make sure you don't miss our upcoming guest episodes with elopement photographers, gay grooms and even our very own husband elects!
Email us on [email protected] or comment on our social media accounts with your questions and suggestions for future conversation:
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Guest Special 1 length: 40 mins 03 seconds

Introducing Kate Beavis (00:48)
Owner of Magpie Wedding, a wedding resource for brides seeking an alternative luxury wedding or a more eco-friendly wedding.

Previous vintage shop owner and runs the first Vintage Wedding Fair in the UK.
Where to go for inspiration on non-traditional weddings (06:18)
Heteronormative weddings / straight weddings (08:30)
In these kinds of weddings, there is still a tendency towards the female doing more planning and having more marketing aimed at her.

How can we make wedding planning more of a joint venture?
Wedding taboos (11:35)
What to do when you’ve got your period on your wedding day?

Why don’t we talk about wedding periods?
Love is Love (13:37)
How can the industry be more LGBTQ+ conscious

The one dimensional image of the bride denies disabled brides, black brides, bigger brides, mature brides
Wellbeing over weight loss (19:51)
Can we encourage a healthier body image in wedding marketing?
Financial implications of weddings (23:30)
Tips on a pulling together a great budget wedding

Picnic hampers, pot luck dinners and cut the DJ

It’s your day!
Ethical / eco-conscious weddings (27:25)
Hiring, making, borrowing wedding paraphernalia

Macrame at your wedding!

"Something borrowed, something blue”
Corona effect on wedding industry (30:20)
How to diversify your income and spread your workload.

Tips on how to forge more working time as a parent during the holidays: outsourcing.

And you can find Kate Beavis and Magpie Wedding at:
www.magpiewedding.com
@magpiewedding

Thank you for listening!
41 min

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