Ruby and Jodi are both serving their prison sentences, but was this tragic story a microcosm of a larger problem? Vanessa and Natalie listen back to some new jail tapes and other audio recordings and discuss the difficult question of who is ultimately responsible for what happened — and what it will take to protect children online in the future.

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