Recent years have shown a steady decline in the strength of our democracy. In this episode Rick welcomes Bob Bauer, a seasoned Washington operative and former White House counsel, to discuss his new book, "The Unraveling: Reflections on Politics Without Ethics and Democracy in Crisis." Bauer shares insights on the ethical and institutional challenges facing American democracy, contrasting the current political climate with the Watergate era. The conversation delves into the critical role of the White House counsel, the dangers of an overpowered presidency, and the corrosive impact of disinformation and treating political opponents as enemies.

Bob's book, "The Unraveling: Reflections on Politics Without Ethics and Democracy in Crisis," available now.

Timestamps:

(00:02:18) The importance of counseling the President

(00:07:07) Treating the opposition as the enemy

(00:10:56) Expectations, choices, and consequences

(00:14:19) Trump and immunity

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