On average, during the previous three recessions (2001, 2009, and 2020), about a quarter of 'B-' rated companies were downgraded to 'CCC', 'CC', or 'C' within the recession year, an indication of the vulnerability of the increasingly crowded 'B-' space. In this episode of The Upgrade podcast Hanna Zhang, Dan Hu, and Minesh Patel discuss key highlights from our recently published articles, "U.S. Leveraged Finance Q3 Update: 'CCC' Buckets Pick Up In CLOs As Cash Flow Generation Falls" and "U.S. BSL CLO And Leveraged Finance Quarterly: Is Winter Coming?"