The Wall Street Skinny

By Kristen and Jen

Every week, Kristen and Jen, best friends since the second grade, have smart, funny and honest conversations about investing, tech and business. From Princeton and Brown to Morgan Stanley, as former i... more

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Number 1: Is a Private Credit scandal brewing behind the LA Lakers Sale?
The LA Lakers --- a prestigious basketball franchise that didn't change hands for 46 years --- just sold twice in ten months, the second time for $2.5 billion more than the first. The seller is Mark Walter, CEO of Guggenheim, owner of the Dodgers and part of Chelsea FC, and the man whose laptop and phone the FBI seized off his private jet just as the Lakers deal was coming together. Since then, one of the insurance companies in his orbit has revised its reported related-party investments from $1.4 billion to $17 billion. Quite the rounding error. In this episode, we get into the questions everyone on the Street is suddenly asking. Why would anyone sell the crown jewel of American sports a year after fighting to buy it? What do a bunch of boring life insurance companies most people have never heard of have to do with the trophy assets of the billionaire class? Why do private equity and private credit firms keep buying insurers in the first place — and what happens to that entire model when the disclosures around "related parties" turn out to be, let's say, incomplete? And why did Josh Kushner and Bob Iger, who spent months chasing a Las Vegas expansion team, pivot to the Lakers over a single weekend? The bigger question hanging over all of it: this structure — asset managers selling their own loans to insurance companies they control — underpins a massive share of the boom in private credit. If regulators start pulling on this thread, how many other portfolios look like this one? By way of disclaimer, no charges have been filed and no wrongdoing has been established nor is implied here; our research merely summarizes reporting from Bloomberg, the FT, the WSJ, and the LA Times.
August 19, 202637min
Number 2: I got to ask Scott Bessent ONE QUESTION. His answer shocked me.
Everyone in the financial media is telling you the same story: Scott Bessent's surprise Treasury buyback announcement is a thumb on the scale of the bond market, and it's making Kevin Warsh's job at the Fed harder. But what if the headlines have it exactly backwards? What if the Treasury Secretary is actually running interference for the one thing the Fed Chair can't do himself? Fresh off asking Bessent this question face-to-face at the Charlotte Economic Club, Jen breaks down why she thinks there's a stealth rate hike hiding inside what looks like yield suppression, and why the best way to understand it is a three-act magic trick straight out of The Prestige. To get there, we have to answer the questions most coverage skips entirely. What actually happens at a quarterly refunding, and why does the Treasury auction schedule matter more than almost anyone realizes? What's the difference between an on-the-run and off-the-run bond, and why are aged long bonds from the COVID era trading below 50 cents on the dollar? When the Treasury buys back 30-year paper and funds it with T-bills and short-dated notes, is that QE, or is it something closer to the opposite? And why would Bessent make this move right before the AI hyperscalers flood the corporate bond market in September? Then things get weirder. Why did the US just participate in the biggest coordinated yen intervention in decades, and what does it have to do with Japan's Treasury holdings? How do stablecoins, a resurgent crypto market, and a shaky dollar all fit into the same trade? And what do Bessent and Warsh, supposedly at war, have in common through their shared mentor Stan Druckenmiller, whose AI-generated op-ed became its own scandal?
September 06, 202658min
Number 3: OpenAI's Lawyer: How Big Tech is Winning the AI Race in the Courts
We got to sit down with John Quinn — the "Quinn" of Quinn Emanuel — one of the most powerful litigators in the world, and the man whose firm is defending OpenAI right now. What does someone at the very top of the legal food chain see coming that the rest of us don't? And why does he think one of the oldest concepts in law is about to become the most valuable weapon in tech? Here's what pulled us down this rabbit hole. The most valuable companies on earth are pouring hundreds of billions into inventions almost none of them can legally protect. So how do you build a moat around something you're not allowed to own? Why are Apple and OpenAI trying to destroy each other in one courtroom and sitting on the same side in another? And what does any of this have to do with a viral park bench kiss that blew up one of the big law talent poaching deals? We get into all of it: why the patent wars fell by the wayside, what actually replaced them, and why every giant pay package in tech, finance, and now law is really a fight over the one thing no company can lock in a vault. Then John tells us where he thinks this is all headed — for the AI giants, for the lawyers, and for anyone thinking about the profession at all.
August 12, 202652min
Number 4: SpaceX: Revisiting the IPO and What Comes Next
After the largest IPO in history, only about 5% of SpaceX — roughly $83 billion of the $1.75 trillion — is actually free to trade. Insiders are locked up, the banks that underwrote the deal can't lend shares to short sellers, and index funds are being forced to buy as SpaceX joins the Nasdaq-100 and the Russel. In this episode, Jen and Kristen, both former Morgan Stanley investment bankers, break down how the IPO was engineered — and the question every SpaceX investor should be asking: what happens when all that locked-up stock can finally sell? First, we cover what is normal in an IPO so you can see what isn't. We cover price talk vs. the $135 take-it-or-leave-it pricing, the green shoe, perpetual futures, and the fast-track Nasdaq-100 inclusion pulling in billions of passive buying. We lay out the risks, meaning the the wall of supply coming. Unlike the standard 180-day lockup, SpaceX is staggering its release: the first ~$240-500+ billion of stock unlocks after the first earnings report around September, with more tranches every few weeks after that — over $1 trillion freely tradeable by December, on the way to a ~$2 trillion overhang once Elon Musk's one-year lockup rolls off. But we also lay out why the passive buying actually helps dampen that supply PLUS why many institutional investors are NOT bearish on the stock despite the insane valuation.
August 05, 202630min
Number 5: What Just Happened to AI Stocks??
*Note: This episode was recorded before news broke of Situational Awareness' unwind, which gives us much better insight into the pace and magnitude of the move in the Korean markets specifically.* Chips, China, and credit. The three forces tearing through the AI trade right now, and we called it last week. In this episode we break down why the bond market cracked first, what widening credit spreads on Nvidia, Meta, and Oracle are actually telling you about default risk, and why the Nasdaq is bleeding while the S&P barely flinches. We walk through Alphabet's first negative free cash flow after twenty years of printing money, the CapEx numbers that keep getting revised upward, and the moment the market stopped rewarding spending and started punishing it. If you have ever wondered how to read a credit spread, we show you the math live. Then we get into the China story that moved markets this week. CXMT went public in the largest mainland Chinese semiconductor IPO on record, oversubscribed 212 times, and the Korean stock exchange took the hit because the KOSPI is essentially a memory-chip index wearing a trench coat. We explain why memory matters in an AI data center, why Samsung, SK Hynix, and Micron controlling 90 percent of the market was the whole moat, and what reports of domestically produced DUV lithography machines would mean for US export controls. We also unpack Nvidia guaranteeing borrowing for a 10-gigawatt OpenAI data center in Ohio, and whether circular financing between chipmakers and model labs is clever structuring or an accounting Ouroboros. Finally, the philosophical hangover. We react to Elon Musk's Economist interview and his claim that money stops mattering within a decade, pressure-test his deflationary argument against MV equals PQ, and ask why every science fiction author who ever imagined artificial superintelligence wrote a horror story. Plus Anthropic's positioning ahead of a possible IPO, the distillation and copyright fight with publishers, the rare books being unbound and shredded to feed training data, and where value actually accrues if models commoditize. Energy and molecules, or something else entirely. Subscribe for weekly deep dives on AI infrastructure, credit markets, semiconductors, and the money moving underneath the entire AI build-out.
July 30, 20261h 1min