Hello friends and cowards, it is Gabrielle and Zarina - art critic / game critic baby gods. We used to have a podcast once upon a time when we were in university together and it was easy enough to start recording the conversations we were already having, and on the occasion of our FIFTH birthday wtf we are bringing it back. We start this new era of lockdown podcasting with the full origin story of how we came to begin our little website and why, again wtf, five years later it is still our actual job. Covering uni, values, audiences, writing, travel and the move into games, we go through every little step of this journey in detail. Most of our freelance work over the past few years has involved doing a 1 hour version of this talk in different art schools and galleries, so reaaaally, we are shooting ourselves in the foot a bit by putting the ultra deluxe version online. Oh well. Subscribe for future episodes including artist interviews, ramblings, advice and more. We are reader-supported by our Patreon gang, love you. 

> A transcription of this episode is available on our website thewhitepube.com

Hosts: Gabrielle de la Puente and Zarina Muhammad

Jingle: toynoiz made this legendary tune for us back during the era of the 1st podcast years and years ago