October 28, 2024

The witness and work of University of Bonn Vice-rector, Pastor Juergen Von Hagen: with discussion of German Christian Nationalism under Third Reich

1 hour 5 minutes

From Pulitzer Center: “Germans Thought They Were Immune to Nationalism After Confronting Their Nazi Past. They Were Wrong”

Tim Bayly interviews Jürgen von Hagen on Christian nationalism, exploring its historical roots within the Lutheran Church during the Nazi regime. They discuss Toby Von Hagen’s (Jürgen’s son) thesis on the church's intertwining of theology and national identity, its subsequent alignment with nationalism, and the dangers of merging faith with political aspirations. The conversation highlights parallels with contemporary American Christian Nationalism and critiques the impact of political nationalism on faith and doctrine. Jürgen reflects on historical figures like Martin Niemöller and the complexities of academic integrity in the face of political correctness. They conclude by sharing personal insights about faith in relation to professional life and current moral dilemmas.

Chapters

0:05 Toby's Thesis

2:15 Church and State Dynamics

8:31 The American Perspective

11:45 The Rise of Christian Nationalism

16:18 The Barman Declaration

20:50 The World Economic Summit

23:52 Experts and Academics

30:28 Reflections on the Third Reich

36:12 The Role of the Church

40:49 Experiences in Leadership

43:16 Vice Rector Responsibilities

48:11 Diversity in Universities

50:22 Journey to Pastoral Leadership

57:13 Relationships and Reconciliation

1:01:30 Future Aspirations and Service

1:03:40 Final Thoughts and Friendship

Tags

Tim Bayly, Juergen Von Hagen, Christian nationalism, Lutheran Church, Nazi regime, theology, national identity, academic integrity, Martin Niemöller, political correctness, faith, professional life

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