Can artificial intelligence ever replace the therapist in the room? In this clip from The Work Within, clinicians Laura Harrison, LPC-S and Ly Tran, LPC-S talk with host John Lin about what makes human-to-human connection irreplaceable in the healing process. Laura explains why she can "feel the ability to read... body language" so much more clearly in person than on a screen - and why AI "will never have a heartbeat." Ly builds on that, naming the human condition - brokenness, inadequacy, loss - as something that can only be understood and healed within relationship. John ties it to a phrase from his own church, "soul-to-soul connection," calling it the "irreducible minimum of healing" that no technology can replicate. The conversation closes on spiritual discernment: the sense, as Ly puts it, that "the Spirit is speaking to my heart" in a session, pointing to exactly the right word for a client in that moment.

Chapter Titles

00:09 - Why In-Person Therapy Feels Different

01:09 - "It Will Never Have a Heartbeat"

01:42 - The Human Condition Can't Be Simulated

03:01 - The Irreducible Minimum of Healing

04:17 - What AI Can't Discern

05:11 - "The Spirit Is Speaking to My Heart"

Hosts

• John Lin: Director of Partnerships, Watershed Initiative & Executive Director, Sweet Deeds Foundation
• Laura Harrison, LPC-S: Executive Director, WELD Group, Licensed Professional Counselor
• Dr. Ly Tran, LPC-S: Founder and Lead Executive Director of The WELD Group, Licensed Professional Counselor

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In this episode of The Work Within, host John Lin sits down with licensed professional counselors Laura Harrison, LPC-S and Ly Tran, LPC-S—two clinicians who use AI daily—to ask two questions: What new anxieties is an AI world creating? How is AI changing the way people engage with mental health care?

In a survey of about 1,800 U.S. adults, 35% said they use an AI tool for mental health support at least once a week. 28% said they see their therapist less because of it (Ueda et al, 2026). Ly asked his clients and found the same.

AI is here to stay, so how do we engage wisely and responsibly?

In this conversation:

• Clinical Benefits vs. Limits: Where AI genuinely helps (2 AM panic attacks, session homework) vs. where it can struggle (reading nonverbal body language, catching hard pauses, and holding six weeks of your story in view).
• What The Fear Is Actually About: Job anxiety, identity, and whether it is even responsible to have kids right now.
• Relational & Spiritual Discernment: Why wounds formed in human connection require human connection to heal, and why algorithmic averages can never replace the Holy Spirit's prompting.
• How To Use It Responsibly. Loop in your therapist, ask for summaries, and watch for the 2 a.m. loop.
• Grounded Hope: How Ecclesiastes ("nothing new under the sun") and C.S. Lewis’s essay “On Living in an Atomic Age” guide us to stay present and do sensible, human things.

Chapters

00:00 – Exhausted by AI, or Fascinated? Probably Both
01:33 – Meet the Hosts: Two Therapists Who Use AI Daily
05:13 – The Stat: 35% of Adults Use AI for Mental Health Weekly
07:40 – The Upside: 2 A.M. Access and Better Therapy Homework
09:57 – Will AI Replace Therapists?
12:26 – Body Language, Energy, and Never Having a Heartbeat
13:54 – Why Relational Wounds Demand Relational Healing
15:13 – Algorithmic Averages vs. Spiritual Discernment
20:21 – Don’t Underestimate What’s Coming
23:29 – A Therapist’s Guide to Using AI Responsibly
28:25 – Three Guardrails, and Tech Boundaries for Kids
30:25 – AI Anxiety: Jobs, Identity, and Our Kids’ Future
35:08 – A Christian Response to AI Fear
38:21 – Staying Grounded When the Future Moves Fast
40:35 – Ecclesiastes 1:9: Nothing New Under the Sun
41:04 – C.S. Lewis on Living With Fear
42:45 – Doing Sensible, Human Things

Hosts

• John Lin: Director of Partnerships, Watershed Initiative & Executive Director, Sweet Deeds Foundation
• Laura Harrison, LPC-S: Executive Director, WELD Group, Licensed Professional Counselor
• Dr. Ly Tran, LPC-S: Founder and Lead Executive Director of The WELD Group, Licensed Professional Counselor

Resources 

Visit the show page for the free Companion Guide and other resources. 

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In this clip from Episode 19, "Be Anxious for Nothing…But How?" Dieula describes waking up most mornings already anxious with a sense that the world is about to fall apart. You might think the first thing she does is reach for her Bible or get on her knees to pray. Instead, Dieula gets moving. Then she’s able to have her quiet time. 

She traces some of that anxiety to her story: growing up the child of immigrants, familiar with fear and scarcity that started long before her. Naming it hasn't made it disappear, but it's changed how she responds to it.

Dieula Previlon, Paul McMullen, and John Lin talk about what it looks like to take the body seriously as part of spiritual practice - not instead of prayer, but as the thing that makes prayer possible.

Listen to the full conversation here: https://watershedinitiative.com/theworkwithin

Chapters

00:09 My Head Is on Fire

1:15 Quiet Time Is Loud Time

2:07 Cool as a Cucumber? Not Exactly

2:21 Anxiety I Inherited

3:39 Courage Over Catastrophe

4:07 The Body Knows What to Do

Hosts 

• Dieula Previlon, LPC-S: Founder of ElevateHer International Ministries, Licensed Professional Counselor and Ordained Minister.  
• Paul McMullen, LPC: Founder of WellSpring Process Groups, Licensed Professional Counselor
• John Lin: Director of Partnerships, Watershed Initiative & Executive Director, Sweet Deeds Foundation

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The verse from Philippians 4 sounds so simple: "Be anxious for nothing." But living it is another story. In this episode of The Work Within, host John Lin sits down with licensed professional counselors Dieula Previlon, LPC-S, and Paul McMullen, LPC, to discuss how we can't eliminate anxiety, but we can manage it far better.

Together they get real about their own anxiety, unpack why "just push through it" backfires, and name the "pseudo-regulators" like scrolling and alcohol we reach for without thinking twice. They explore how an anxious leader shapes a whole team, why the body often has to settle before the soul can pray, and how trauma makes anxiety understandable, not a personal failure. Along the way they reread Philippians 4 in full context — rejoicing, presence, and refocused attention.

Whether you carry acute anxiety or a hum of background worry, it offers language, compassion, and a usable toolkit.

Key Takeaways

• The Spectrum of Anxiety: It shows up in many ways — from career and financial fears to daily worries about family or morning routines.
• The Danger of Pseudo-Regulators: We default to reactive habits like scrolling, nicotine, or alcohol to calm the nervous system without addressing root causes.
• The Body Connection: Movement can settle a high-alert nervous system — a somatic bridge before mental or spiritual reflection.
• Rethinking Philippians 4: More than a high-pressure command, it's a relational invitation to experience God's presence.

Chapters

00:00  Introduction: Philippians 4 and the Reality of Anxiety

02:29  Honest Confessions: What's Making Us Anxious Today?

05:55  Is Anxiety Really That Serious? The Hidden Costs

07:16  Speeding Up & Pseudo-Regulators: How Anxiety Drives Behavior

12:17  Overfunctioning vs. Underfunctioning: Anxiety in Leadership & Systems

18:17  Why Ignoring It and Overworking Don't Fix the Problem

21:08  When the Threats Are Real: Anxiety, Trauma & Under-Resourced Communities

27:30  Developing Awareness & Somatic Regulation

34:42  Reclaiming Philippians 4: Community, Prayer & God's Presence

40:32  Building Your Personal Anxiety Toolkit

41:21  Encouragement & Final Thoughts

Hosts

• John Lin: Director of Partnerships, Watershed Initiative & Executive Director, Sweet Deeds Foundation
• Paul McMullen, LPC: Founder of WellSpring Process Groups, Licensed Professional Counselor
• Dieula Previlon, LPC-S: Founder of ElevateHer International Ministries, Licensed Professional Counselor and Ordained Minister.  

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This clip from Episode 18, “Perfection Is Overrated” asks the question: How do you love someone who never feels like they’re enough? Host John Lin talks with licensed professional counselors Laura Harrison and Paul McMullen about how to care well for the perfectionists in our lives—whether that person is a spouse, a child, or a close friend. Listen to the full conversation here: https://watershedinitiative.com/theworkwithin

The conversation explores the vital difference between an inward perfectionist, who needs deep compassion because they are already beating themselves up, and an outward perfectionist, who requires firm boundaries to protect your own well-being. Paul and Laura share insightful, brain-based strategies for helping perfectionists form new neural pathways through repeated, explicit acceptance. The highlight concludes with a grounding reminder from Henri Nouwen: the ultimate antidote to the trap of perfectionism and self-rejection is remembering that our core identity is simply being the "beloved".

Chapters

0:00 – Loving the Perfectionist in Your Life — John poses the question on how to best support and care for family members or friends dealing with perfectionism.

0:35 – Inward vs. Outward Perfectionism & Boundaries — Laura breaks down the difference between those who beat themselves up and those who force others to be perfect, emphasizing the need for targeted compassion or firm boundaries.

1:57 – Rewiring the Brain with Explicit Acceptance — Paul discusses how consistently affirming your love and presence helps dig new, healthier neural pathways for a perfectionist who may not believe it at first.

2:43 – Generational Patterns and Mental Exit Ramps — Laura explains the generational nature of perfectionism and how to gently guide the brain toward new, flexible possibilities.

3:47 – Overcoming Self-Rejection as the "Beloved" — John closes the discussion with a powerful quote from Henri Nouwen on rejecting self-rejection and finding freedom in our core truth.

Hosts 

• John Lin: Director of Partnerships, Watershed Initiative & Executive Director, Sweet Deeds Foundation
• Laura Harrison, LPC-S: Executive Director, WELD Group, Licensed Professional Counselor
• Paul McMullen, LPC: Founder of WellSpring Process Groups, Licensed Professional Counselor

Ready to do the work? We’d love to help.

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This episode of The Work Within podcast explores what really drives perfectionism — and it isn't high standards. As Brené Brown puts it, perfectionism isn't about striving to be your best; it's a shield we carry to minimize the pain of blame, judgment, and shame.

Host John Lin sits down with licensed therapists Laura Harrison (LPC-S) and Paul McMullen (LPC) for an honest, witty, and liberating conversation about making peace with our inner critics. If you're a recovering perfectionist, raising one, or married to one, there's a way toward greater freedom, courage, and connection.

In this conversation:

• The Different Masks of Perfectionism: From Laura's hilarious confession of being a "procrastinating perfectionist" to Paul's insights on "role-based perfectionism," where we hide our struggles behind professional or spiritual titles.
• Excellence vs. Perfectionism: The critical difference between trying your best and having an existential fear of failure.
• The Under-the-Hood Drivers: Why perfectionism often acts as a self-protective coping mechanism rooted in childhood or family stories.
• The Faith Tension: How to navigate Christian environments that foster a "workspace" mentality, and how to shift from a performance-driven "good self" to a grace-centered "loved self."
• Rewiring the Brain: Practical exit ramps to loosen the grip of perfectionism through vulnerable community, secure relationships, and continuous grace.

Chapters

00:00 Brené Brown on Perfectionism (Intro)

02:36 What Perfectionism Looks Like in Our Lives

06:25 When Perfectionism Keeps Us from Taking Risks

07:42 Striving for Excellence vs. Perfectionism

10:52 What's Underneath the Drive to Be Perfect

14:31 The "Good Self" vs. the "Loved Self"

17:54 Family Roots: Proving a Parent Wrong

19:29 Perfectionism as a Coping Mechanism

20:34 Faith and the Tension of "Be Perfect"

28:21 Loosening the Grip: Vulnerability and Safe Community

33:21 Being Loved in Your Failure

35:13 Caring for the Perfectionists in Your Life

36:40 Building New Neural Pathways

38:29 Closing: Henri Nouwen on Being the Beloved

Hosts

• John Lin: Director of Partnerships, Watershed Initiative & Executive Director, Sweet Deeds Foundation
• Laura Harrison, LPC-S: Executive Director, WELD Group, Licensed Professional Counselor
• Paul McMullen, LPC: Founder of WellSpring Process Groups, Licensed Professional Counselor

Resources 

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This clip from Episode 17, “Help! I’ve Become My Parents!” Highlights the tension of “honoring our parents” and being honest about our experience.

Listen to the full conversation here: https://watershedinitiative.com/theworkwithin

Being honest about the negative experiences you had with your parents can feel like you’re dishonoring them. 

So instead of telling the truth, it’s easier to pretend everything was fine. 

But that comes at a cost. Blind loyalty can keep you from telling the truth about unhealthy patterns and painful experiences you went through.  And the reality is, we can’t heal something we’re not willing to acknowledge. 

Breaking old patterns and creating new ones for future generations means being willing to do the hard work of staring down the cycles of generational sin and trauma that have been passed on to us. It is possible to honor and be honest about our parents. 

Chapters

00:10 — Can You Honor Your Parents and Still Tell the Truth?

01:02 — Why Family Loyalty Keeps People Stuck

03:28 — Holding Honesty and Compassion Together

04:06 — The Jenga Tower of Family of Origin

Hosts / Guests 

• Dieula Previlon, LPC-S: Founder of ElevateHer International Ministries, Licensed Professional Counselor and Ordained Minister 
• Dr. Ly Tran, LPC-S: Founder and Lead Executive Director of The WELD Group, Licensed Professional Counselor
• John Lin, M.Div: Director of Partnerships, Watershed Initiative & Executive Director, Sweet Deeds Foundation

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Have you ever caught yourself doing or saying something — and suddenly realized: I've become my parents?!

That unsettling moment is where this conversation begins.

In Ep 17 of The Work Within podcast, John Lin is joined by therapists Ly Tran (LPC-S) and Dieula Previlon (LPC-S) to explore one of the most universal and consequential dynamics in human life: the patterns we inherit from our families, and what it takes to change them.

They discuss why trauma gets repeated even when we desperately don't want it to, the tension between honoring our parents and being honest about our experience, and how awareness of existing patterns enables the deliberate creation of new ones.

Their conversation is grounded in this belief: with intentional awareness and effort, we can break generational cycles and create something truly new and different.

In this episode:

- How the fear of dishonoring your parents can prevent healing

- How conflict styles and attachment patterns are "caught, not taught" in childhood

- What shame has to do with generational trauma

- A theological lens on Exodus 34:7 — what "generational sin" actually means (and what it doesn't)

- Practical wisdom for beginning this work

Chapters

00:00 – Introduction: Have You Become Your Parents? 

02:28 – Meet the Co-Hosts: Dieula Previlon & Ly Tran 

03:15 – Startling Moments of Realization 

06:45 – You Can Honor Your Parents and Be Honest  

08:07 – Why Family Loyalty Can Keep You Stuck 

13:44 – How Attachment & Conflict Styles Get Passed Down

15:40 – Shame Spreads Quietly Across Generations 

20:18 – Why We Repeat Trauma Even When We Know Better 

25:47 – What the Bible Says About Generational Sin (Exodus 34:7) 

28:19 – Awareness, Grace, and the Role of Therapy 

34:51 – What Breaking the Cycle Looks Like in Real Life 

41:21 – Practical Steps: Go Slowly, Grieve It, Be Kind to Yourself

Hosts

• John Lin: Director of Partnerships, Watershed Initiative & Executive Director, Sweet Deeds Foundation
• Dieula Previlon, LPC-S: Founder of ElevateHer International Ministries, Licensed Professional Counselor and Ordained Minister 
• Dr. Ly Tran, LPC-S: Founder and Lead Executive Director of The WELD Group, Licensed Professional Counselor

Resources 

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This is a clip from Episode 16, “What Makes a Healthy Leader?” Listen to the full conversation here: https://watershedinitiative.com/theworkwithin

If being a healthy leader were easy, every leader would be one. In this clip, special guest, Shannon Pugh, and host John Lin discuss the obstacles that get in the way: 

1) Self-awareness is hard. You have to understand your own motivations and the unique vulnerabilities that pull you toward unhealthy patterns.

2) Systems reward external achievement, not the invisible internal work that makes leaders healthy.

Topics covered: leadership development, self-awareness, the Enneagram, the shadow side of leadership

Chapters

00:10 — Motivation matters more than behavior

01:23 — Knowing your shadow side

02:19 — Why this work is rare

03:17 — When systems reward results over health

Hosts / Guests 

• John Lin: Director of Partnerships, Watershed Initiative & Executive Director, Sweet Deeds Foundation
• Paul McMullen, LPC: Founder of WellSpring Process Groups, Licensed Professional Counselor
• Shannon Pugh: Care and Mobilization Pastor, Irving Bible Church 

Healthy leadership starts with doing your own internal work. We want to help. 

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What actually makes someone a healthy leader?

You already know it’s not charisma, competence, or how many people you lead.

In the latest from The Work Within podcast, host John Lin is joined by Paul McMullen, LPC, and Shannon Pugh, Care and Mobilization Pastor at Irving Bible Church, to explore a question many leaders avoid, but eventually have to face:

What’s happening inside of you as you lead?

As more leaders burn out, fall apart, or slowly lose themselves, this conversation gets underneath the surface of leadership—and into what actually sustains it over time.

Through personal stories and practical insight, this episode unpacks what it takes to lead with emotional health, inner alignment, and long-term integrity.

In this episode, we discuss:

• The 3 core traits of healthy leaders: self-awareness, boundaries, and humility
• The hidden systemic pressures that keep leaders stuck and silent
• Why competence can mask unhealth—until it can’t
• Practical ways to start doing the internal work before it’s too late

Whether you lead a church, a team, a business, or a family—if you influence people, this conversation is for you.

Because we don’t just need more leaders. We desperately need healthier ones.

Chapters

00:00 – What Healthy Leadership Looks Like (Pastor Ted’s Story)

06:19 – Why Healthy Leadership Matters

09:05 - The Harm of Unhealthy Leadership

10:28 – What It Feels Like to Work Under a Healthy Leader

13:47 - Defining Healthy Leadership

14:29 – 3 Core Traits of Healthy Leaders: Self-Awareness, Boundaries, Humility

25:48 - Does Competence Matter? 

30:05 – Why Leadership Burnout Happens (Systemic + Personal Causes)

35:00 - Why Organizations Reward the Wrong Things

42:10 – Why Sabbath Is a Leadership Discipline

43:53 – The Danger of Isolation in Leadership

46:03 – “Leaders Need to Need”

Hosts

• John Lin: Director of Partnerships, Watershed Initiative & Executive Director, Sweet Deeds Foundation
• Paul McMullen, LPC: Founder of WellSpring Process Groups, Licensed Professional Counselor
• Shannon Pugh: Care and Mobilization Pastor, Irving Bible Church 

Resources 

The Leader’s Journey

The Emotionally Healthy Leader

People Fuel

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