Former Chief of Staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell, Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, joins Paul Jay and condemns the Israeli attack on Iran as an unprovoked violation of international law—and a dangerous step toward full-scale regional war. Wilkerson argues that the U.S. is complicit, acting through Israel as a proxy.
Wilkerson analyzes the use of the military in L.A. and doesn’t mince words: the Empire is collapsing into autocracy and militarism, and the consequences could be catastrophic.
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Paul JayHi, welcome to theAnalysis.news. I'm Paul Jay. In just a few seconds, we'll be back with Colonel Larry Wilkerson to discuss the Israeli attack on Iran.Prime Minister of Israel, Netanyahu, who says this is not an attack on the Iranian people. It's an attack on the Iranian regime. But in fact, it's exactly that, an attack on the Iranian people. The sovereignty of a country is not the sovereignty of a government. It's the sovereignty of the people, and it's the sovereignty of Iran that has been illegally attacked by every piece of the UN charter and international law, an unprovoked attack on the people's sovereignty.Now, I've been very critical over the years of the Iranian government. I'm not going to call it a regime. I don't know why it's more of a regime than most of the other governments or states that call themselves governments. My guest and I, Larry Wilkerson, who will be here in just a few seconds, we've both been very critical of the Iranian government and its repression of people and opposition movements in Iran. That has nothing to do with what's going on here. This is an out-and-out, unprovoked attack on Iran. We're going to talk about the reasons for that, but let me just add one other small thing, which we'll talk about. It's maybe not that small.Critiquing this Israeli attack is not anti-Semitism. In fact, this is just like the Cold War. When people condemned the Vietnam War, they were called communists. They're being soft on communists. Well, now, if you critique the crimes of the Israeli government, and now this unprovoked war, and of course, the genocide in Gaza, the bombings in Lebanon, now you're an anti-Semite. It's being thrown around just the way it was, the anti-communist rhetoric of the Cold War.Now, joining us to talk about this current conflict is Larry Wilkerson. Thanks for joining us, Larry.Col. Lawrence WilkersonGood to be with you, Paul. Long time.Paul JayFor people who don't know, Larry was the Chief of Staff for Colin Powell, both at the Joint Chiefs and at the State Department. So, let me start by asking you, Larry, what do you make of the way the media is covering this? I was a little surprised over the last year that there were at least some reports on how Gaza was being devastated. You saw quite a few pictures of the killing of children, and there was a glimmer of legitimate reporting for a while. Now, this is so one-sided. I watch CNN, and guest after guest is essentially from the Israeli government or the Israeli ambassador, and the fact that this is a complete violation of international law is not even mentioned.Col. Lawrence WilkersonWell, this is truly a disgusting display of the Empire's degradation and profound slippage from world leadership. There's no question about that. Not only have we violated international law, consistently, we have ignored even those or punished even those who didn't want to ignore it or were trying to do something about it, like South Africa and their application to the court with regard to the genocide in Gaza. I think it's appalling that we did a Yamamoto. We did a Pearl Harbor. We did a Saddam Hussein on Kuwait attack on Iran. We, not Israel, the United States of America, using Israel as its foremost in the frontline proxy, if you will, just like we're doing with Ukraine. We said, diplomacy was going to continue. We achieved tactical surprise, an enormous advantage for an Air Force attacking, for example.Paul JayWhat you mean by that is that Trump had said they were about to start another round of negotiations, and then came the attack.Col. Lawrence WilkersonAbsolutely. He knew they were going to attack. There's no way he couldn't have known. He proved it with his tweets afterward because he said, essentially, "We knew, and we did it." Contradicting his Secretary of State, who went out there and lied, I suspect he lied, or his National Security Advisor, one wonders what Rubio is, really, and tried to say that the United States did not have anything to do with it, clearly to protect his embassies and consulates around the region because he feared attacks from Iran.This is truly a new marker for an empire that, since 9/11, has set down marker after marker for the fact that it disregards international law entirely. For the fact that it is going to kill you, sanction you, or both, if you even raise an objecting voice to what it wants to do in the world. It's a marker also for the degradation of the leadership of the country, which commenced with 9/11 and George W. Bush, and now has devolved to a circus clown who stands in front of a crowd of people who want to do things domestically and internationally that are appalling when you think about them. Maybe wind up with a nuclear war in the end, which I think some of them want to reduce the population. And a clown in front of them masquerading as a MAGA symbol for Americans, and got lots of Americans convinced. They are falling off rapidly now, but convinced that he's the Messiah, that he's the answer to all their problems, domestic or international, which is an absolute farce.So you've got this hoax going on with regard to the presidency itself. You've got a Congress that is enraptured by a foreign country, and you've got a Supreme Court, with the exception maybe of the liberal justices, and I'm reading more and more about Amy Coney-Barrett, who is more or less complicit with whatever the president wants to do. This is unprecedented in terms of the consolidation of power. Now, it's brought us to, I think, this precipice. This fall could very well see the use of nuclear weapons. Even more so now, is it pregnant with that possibility than Ukraine? Paul JayWhy?Col. Lawrence WilkersonBecause Israel has them, and because if Iran continues and continues in the way it is doing it right now, Netanyahu is going to be majorly imperiled, first of all, politically, and maybe even anticipating being kicked out or carried out on a rail, or he's going to get so worried about the situation in Israel and his political standing he will do it himself. He'll start this. It's going to become an existential situation for Israel, I think. In the long run, it's going to be existential.You see it happening right now with Trump and the military in the United States. We just deployed probably 30 in the first wave. I suspect more will go. They're airborne, gone. I assume they're in the region now. KC-35, and what's the other tanker? KC-135s and KC-46s. Now, this is probably a huge percentage of the operational aerial refueling tankers that we have. The first impression was that we were deploying them so the Israelis could keep up the 200-plane strikes and go even further, maybe, into the very far reaches of Iran. I think what it is, is that, possibly, with JP8, JP4, JP5 fuels, but it's also a pre-positioning for us to join the fight, for us to begin bombing Iranian targets as well as Israel.This will be commenced, as we have pretty much said, once they start sending missiles onto our facilities or even on the Saudi oil facilities or whatever. The Israelis are stoking that right now by finally attacking Iranian oil facilities and damaging the Iranian oil complex. I can only expect, from what I have heard from my own sources in Iran, that they might reach a point where it's suicide, but we're going to go down fighting. We're going to open up on everybody, which includes the Strait, Ras Tanura, the Saudi oil facilities, and all the U.S. forces. Here's the kicker. Our forces are not capable of securing themselves in that region. We have many people in that region.Paul JayI think it's 40,000, the number they're saying on CNN.Col. Lawrence WilkersonMore like 50. If you count Egypt and other little installations around, and Israel itself, it's more like 50, and they're not fighters. They are electricians, they're engineers, and so forth. We don't even have any air defense assets around Al Udeid, the largest Air Force base in the world, in Qatar. I mean, you could destroy that and a whole host of American aircraft at the same time. It would be like Pearl Harbor, shooting ducks in a barrel.There are others, too. Kuwait has the largest throughput facility in the world for us, putting troops through. We built it up for Desert Storm, Desert Shield, and then we left it and refurbished it for the next attack on Iraq, and we keep it there. The naval fleet headquarters, the largest fleet, the fifth fleet, is in Bahrain, and it's not defended. If you say, "Well, local forces will defend it," you're smoking some cheap stuff.We're really vulnerable. This deployment is probably as much for our aircraft coming out of Al Udeid, King Khalid, and other airfields in the region as it is for helping Israel tank, and go further and deeper into Iran. This is very dangerous. It's extremely dangerous. You're going to put, and possibly, Iran is going to put Israel in a situation where it exercises its so-called Samson option, which is to drag it out and use it.I have no doubt in my mind that Bibi Netanyahu would do that. In '73, Golda Meir was asked by the BBC, and she said, "Absolutely." They asked her, "Would you use that option?" And she said, "Absolutely. If we were in existential straits, of course, we would." Well, Bibi is one who would, I think, love to go down in a nuclear cloud, if you will. And he will if he thinks it cements his place in Israeli history. Israel.