What is the difference of being a theology of the cross, and the theology of glory? Gretchen Ronnevik and Katie Koplin talk about what it means to have the cross as the center of your theology. We talk about Luther's Heidelberg Disputaitons of 1518, a year after he posted the 95 thesis, and why it was so revolutionary and contrary to what the church was teaching at the time.

This is the center of "calling a thing what it is" and understanding suffering, rather than glory. The cross turns everything on our head about what we think of God, and what he wants from us, and often makes us uncomfortable, but ultimately fixes our eyes on Jesus as the author and perfector of our faith.

***This episode has some technical difficulties, and the sound isn't as good as past episodes. We thought the conversation overcame the bad sound, and hope it isn't too much of a distraction.

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