Is there actually a light at the end of the tunnel, a way out of MAGA domination for the Republican Party? Jonathan Rauch of the Brookings Institution and Peter Wehner of the Trinity Forum, walk us through their much-discussed plan outlined in a recent New York Times opinion piece for a new movement to return to a rational, conservative Republican Party in America. ***Please remember to rate and review us on Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen.***

00:59 Exploring the Roots and Reasons for a GOP Split

05:05 The Exile Strategy: Overcoming MAGA's Grip

09:12 The Moral and Strategic Imperatives of Overthrowing MAGA

14:34 Potential Leaders and the Path Forward

26:55 The Psychological Battle Against MAGA Dominance