David Gornoski sits down with podcaster Alex Kaschuta, host of Subversive–"the podcast for outcasts." David and Alex discuss some of the important topics of our day such as the importance of Rene Girard's work; growing undifferentiation; the redefinition of the outcast in current society; the mythology behind gender relations; Trump as a scapegoat for the elites; Christian voluntaryism; and more. How should the Church become relevant again in the modern age? How do we avoid victim-garbed scapegoating such as what we see from the establishment?

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