In this THINGS HIDDEN conversation, David Gornoski is joined by Grant Kaplan, professor of theological studies at Saint Louis University and author of René Girard, Unlikely Apologist. Professor Kaplan talks about his experience of meeting Rene Girard; why traditional apologetics don't work as well as before; the difference between mimetic theory and critical theory; being in solidarity with victims vs. victimism; cancel culture; and more.

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