This interview is part of a new series from Apple News In Conversation called Think Again — a guide to reimagining work, home, relationships, and more. In this episode, In Conversation host Shumita Basu talks with Jenny Odell, an artist and the author of the book How to Do Nothing: Resisting the Attention Economy. Odell provides strategies for training our attention away from devices and toward the world. Below are excerpts from the interview.

Think Again: How to master the art of doing nothing

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Think Again: How to master the art of doing nothing

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