The Ministry Collaborative Podcast

Think Horses, Not Zebras: A Conversation with Avril Speaks and Julie Tiemann


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Program Staff Adam Borneman and Jennifer Watley Maxell talk to Avril Speaks and Julie Tiemann about the concept of actionable hope, the importance of focusing on the Divine, and how all the information we absorb without narrative ends up disconnecting us.

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