Jeremi, Zachary, and guest Ali Soufan, discuss the effectiveness of the FBI's interrogation techniques from before and after the war in Iraq.

Zachary sets the scene with his poem, "Do Not Turn from the Bruises that We Bare."

Ali Soufan is a former FBI special agent and lead investigator on some of the world’s most complex international terrorism cases. He is the chairman and CEO of The Soufan Group, founder of The Soufan Center, and has been featured in books, films, television series, newspaper articles, and documentaries across the globe. He is the author of two widely-read books: Anatomy of Terror: From the Death of Bin Laden to the Rise of the Islamic State and  The Black Banners: The Inside Story of 9/11 and the War Against al-Qaeda. The latter book was recently re-published with the addition of detailed sections, formerly withheld by the CIA.