This week, Jeremi and Zachary meet with Dr. Kenneth Osgood to discuss the issues related to deception, secrecy, and the doctoring of evidence by presidents and other figures in the executive branch.

Jeremi and Dr. Osgood have published an article on this topic in THE HILL.

Problems with presidential records are not just about Trump

Zachary sets the scene with his poem, "Forwards".

Dr. Kenneth Osgood is professor of history at Colorado School of Mines. He is author or editor of five books on US political and diplomatic history, exploring how presidents “sell” war, civil rights and the conservative movement, international public diplomacy, and the propaganda and politics of the Cold War.

This episode was mixed and mastered by Will Kurzner & Oscar Kitmanyen.