In this episode of This vs. That, we talk with Dr. Ed Welch about the relationship between discipleship and counseling. We explore the similarities and differences between the two, and emphasize the importance of understanding when to seek counseling versus when to seek discipleship. We also discuss the generational differences in mental health language and how to help individuals reform their thinking about counseling.

Welch stresses the importance of having a wise and loving friend, and suggests that pastors continue to meet with individuals and invite them to speak openly about their struggles. Overall, this episode highlights the need for a culture where it is natural to speak about our needs and to reach out for help, and where pastors communicate that neediness is normal and that we always need Jesus.

We hope you enjoy the conversation.

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Books mentioned:

When People Are Big and God Is Small: Overcoming Peer Pressure, Codependency, and the Fear of Man - Ed Welch

Side by Side: Walking with Others in Wisdom and Love - Ed Welch

Caring for One Another: 8 Ways to Cultivate Meaningful Relationships - Ed Welch

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This episode of This vs. That is sponsored by:

⁠⁠P&R Publishing⁠⁠ – Edward Welch’s groundbreaking book ⁠⁠When People Are Big and God Is Small⁠⁠ has sold more than a quarter million copies since it was first released and has helped countless people in their struggles with codependency, peer pressure, and fear of man. This spring, P&R Publishing is pleased to announce the release of a comprehensively revised new edition. Learn how to need people less and love people more in this important update to a classic work of biblical counseling. Available wherever books are sold.

⁠⁠⁠The Missions Course⁠⁠⁠ – We believe God has an important role for you – and The Church – to play in The Great Commission. Don’t know what The Great Commission is? That’s alright! The Missions Course is a 6-week, online study that reveals God’s heart for the nations and invites you to play your part in it. We’ve designed this course to tuck nicely in-between classes, while you’re making dinner, or on your daily commute.  Missions isn’t just for them, it’s for you too! Use the code ANCHOREDHOPE to take $10 off your registration. Visit ⁠⁠⁠TheMissionsCourse.com⁠⁠⁠ to learn more and register today.

In this episode of This vs. That, we talk to Brad Hambrick about the important topic of manipulation versus influence. Brad serves as Pastor of Counseling at the Summit Church in Durham, North Carolina. He also serves as assistant professor of Biblical Counseling at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary. He's a council member of the Biblical Counseling Coalition and has authored several books, including his most recent book, Angry with God: An Honest Journey Through Suffering and Betrayal.

Brad emphasizes the importance of recognizing our own tendencies towards manipulation and control, even in our closest relationships, and to instead focus on healthy influence that leads to the flourishing of others.

The conversation also touches on the challenge of navigating media and the importance of being an intelligent consumer, as well as the responsibility of ministry leaders to evaluate their own leadership and avoid crossing the line into manipulation and abuse. By recognizing the importance of healthy influence and the dangers of manipulation, we can cultivate relationships and leadership that contribute to the flourishing of ourselves and others.

We think you will really benefit from and enjoy this conversation.

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Books mentioned:

Angry with God: An Honest Journey Through Suffering and Betrayal⁠ - Brad Hambrick

Making Sense of Forgiveness - Brad Hambrick

Is It Abuse? - Darby Strickland

Proverbs - Charles Bridges

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This episode of This vs. That is sponsored by:

⁠⁠The Missions Course⁠⁠ – We believe God has an important role for you – and The Church – to play in The Great Commission. Don’t know what The Great Commission is? That’s alright! The Missions Course is a 6-week, online study that reveals God’s heart for the nations and invites you to play your part in it. We’ve designed this course to tuck nicely in-between classes, while you’re making dinner, or on your daily commute.  Missions isn’t just for them, it’s for you too! Use the code ANCHOREDHOPE to take $10 off your registration. Visit ⁠⁠TheMissionsCourse.com⁠⁠ to learn more and register today.

⁠P&R Publishing⁠ – Edward Welch’s groundbreaking book ⁠When People Are Big and God Is Small⁠ has sold more than a quarter million copies since it was first released and has helped countless people in their struggles with codependency, peer pressure, and fear of man. This spring, P&R Publishing is pleased to announce the release of a comprehensively revised new edition. Learn how to need people less and love people more in this important update to a classic work of biblical counseling. Available wherever books are sold.

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This vs. That is a podcast of Anchored Hope. Anchored Hope provides practical help to those hurting by anchoring their hope in Jesus and helping others gain a better understanding of his promises. We offer reputable, biblical counsel to those suffering or experiencing difficult seasons. Our counselors are highly trained and bring a vast experience in addressing the various issues of life.

To meet with a counselor, visit anchoredhope.co and schedule an appointment today.

This episode of This vs. That features a discussion with Courtney Moore about the topic of Workaholism vs. Diligence where we examine intersection of work and faith. We touch on topics such as the glorification of ministry over other forms of vocation, the importance of understanding God's view of work, and how to balance work and life. Courtney also emphasizes the idea of viewing work as worship and offers practical tips for recognizing when you may be working too much.

Courtney Moore is the founder and president of the nonprofit organization, Women & Work, as well as co-host of the Women & Work Podcast. She holds a B.A. in Religious Studies from the University of Mobile and an M.A. in Biblical Counseling from The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.

Courtney’s book Women & Work: Bearing God’s Image and Joining in His Mission through our Work is available for pre-order now.

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This episode of This vs. That is sponsored by:

Women & Work - Are you a woman who wants to honor God with your life but aren’t sure how your work makes an eternal difference in the kingdom of God?

Women & Work is a faith and work organization that is for every woman in every season. They produce a podcast and countless resources to inspire women to confidently step into their God-given calling and leverage their unique potential for God’s glory.

They also have a new book releasing, Women & Work: Bearing God's Image and Joining in His Mission through our Work and you can preorder your copy today!

Go to womenwork.net to learn more.

Evangelical Council for Abuse Prevention - “Psalm 127:3 says, “Behold, children are a heritage from the Lord…” Yet, today one in every three girls and one in every seven boys are sexually abused before they’re 18. That’s why Evangelical Council for Abuse Prevention was formed.

By implementing ECAP’s child safety standards, Christian ministries create safe places for children and youth to hear the gospel and grow in discipleship, unhindered by abuse.

Ministry leaders! Check out ECAP’s free child protection assessments at www.ecap.net.

Parents! Contact ECAP through their website at www.ecap.net to get a free video resource by Julie Lowe, author of Safeguards.”

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This vs. That is a podcast of Anchored Hope. Anchored Hope provides practical help to those hurting by anchoring their hope in Jesus and helping others gain a better understanding of his promises. We offer reputable, biblical counsel to those suffering or experiencing difficult seasons. Our counselors are highly trained and bring a vast experience in addressing the various issues of life.

To meet with a counselor, visit anchoredhope.co and schedule an appointment today.

In this episode of This vs. That we talk with our friend Deepak Reju about the topic of Anxiety vs. Fear. We discuss the spectrum of anxiety, from low-grade anxiety to panic attacks, and the words associated with anxiety, such as worry, stress, and concern. We also try to highlight distinctions between fear from anxiety and explain the biblical fear of the Lord. The conversation also touches on what Jesus experienced in the garden of Gethsemane.

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Deepak Reju is the pastor of Biblical Counseling and Family Ministry at Capitol Hill Baptist Church in Washington, DC. He and his wife Sarah, have five kids and he's the author of several books, including:

On Guard: Preventing and Responding to Child Abuse in the Church

Pornography Fighting for Purity

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This episode of This vs. That is sponsored by:

P&R Publishing - Edward Welch’s groundbreaking book When People Are Big and God Is Small has sold more than a quarter million copies since it was first released and has helped countless people in their struggles with codependency, peer pressure, and fear of man. This spring, P&R Publishing is pleased to announce the release of a comprehensively revised new edition. Learn how to need people less and love people more in this important update to a classic work of biblical counseling. Available wherever books are sold.

The Missions Course - We believe God has an important role for you – and The Church – to play in The Great Commission. Don’t know what The Great Commission is? That’s alright! The Missions Course is a 6-week, online study that reveals God’s heart for the nations and invites you to play your part in it. We’ve designed this course to tuck nicely in-between classes, while you’re making dinner, or on your daily commute.  Missions isn’t just for them, it’s for you too! Use the code ANCHOREDHOPE to take $10 off your registration. Visit TheMissionsCourse.com to learn more and register today.

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This vs. That is a podcast of Anchored Hope. Anchored Hope provides practical help to those hurting by anchoring their hope in Jesus and helping others gain a better understanding of his promises. We offer reputable, biblical counsel to those suffering or experiencing difficult seasons. Our counselors are highly trained and bring a vast experience in addressing the various issues of life.

To meet with a counselor, visit anchoredhope.co and schedule an appointment today.

In this episode we introduce This vs. That, a podcast where we look at what we think and why we think it. 

Our first episode launches April, 5th. So be sure to subscribe and get every episode delivered directly to you.

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This vs. That is a podcast of Anchored Hope virtual counseling.