This Writing Life

This Writing Life

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This Writing Life episodes

  • Episode 18 - Tom Drury Part 2
    In the second part of my interview with Tom Drury, one of America's finest living novelists, we begin by discussing the railroad and its part in linking places like Grouse County to the outside world. 
    ----more----We then moved on to: 
    • his parents
  • radio, television and Drury's writing
  • the characters Dan and Louise Norman in The End of Vandalism
  • endings and alternate endings
  • 'In the old days, we tried in government to do good things for people. Why did we do that?'
  • media and modern American politics
  • 'It's like the Bookmobile. They were doing something good for people. I see less and less of that spirit.'
  • Drury on Obama
  • 'What are seeing is that our politics can be stopped'
  • 'I do feel like even the idea of doing good things for people has been devalued'
  • why Drury doesn't watch television
  • Drury on The Brothers Karamazov, Shakespeare, Don DeLillo's White Noise
  • Drury on comic, digressive fiction
  • 'I don't have a theme'
  • is Drury the most underrated novelist in America
  • 2015 is the year of Tom Drury (Awesome)
  • 'If you stay around long enough...one is constantly discovered'
  • 'I don't want to tell you what to think'
  • on Snow Country by Yasunari Kawabata
  • on writing and money
  • 'If you start writing thinking you are going to earn a lot of money, maybe this isn't the best choice
  • life, death and dogs in Grouse County
  • 'Rather than write about international events I try to write about personal events and individual lives'
  • the character of Charles 'Tiny' Darling and Tom Drury
  • on the autobiographical nature of his work
  • the central character of Louise Darling
  • ambivalent feelings about Grouse County
  • 'I feel like there are parts of all of them that are connected to the life that I've had'
  • 27 min
  • Episode 17 - Tom Drury on Light
    In this stopgap between podcasts, Tom Drury discusses the use of light in his debut novel, The End of Vandalism. 
    'I love that there would be some incidental lighting in the dark, like the dryer, you know?' 
    Hear Antonya Nelson read Tom Drury's 'Accident at the Sugar Beet', which became an episode in The End of Vandalism, for the New Yorker here.
    2 min
  • Episode 16 - Tom Drury Part 1
    Tom Drury is the author of six astounding novels. Three - his masterpiece The End of Vandalism, Hunts in Dreams and Pacific - are set in the same fictional Grouse County area of Iowa - Drury's home-state. 
    ----more----We met the day after The End of Vandalism was relaunched in the UK, in an Earls Court flat next door to Hattie Jacques' former residence. We began by discussing the forthcoming film of his 2006 book The Driftless Area, which Drury adapted himself. Having talked about the ways writing for the screen differed from writing for the page, we moved onto: 
    • ideas of what is essential and inessential in Drury's stories
  • collaboration in film and fiction 
  • the solitariness of being a writer
  • the economics of writing fiction
  • working for Los Angeles County Museum of Art
  • Drury's former career as a journalist
  • dialogue and how people speak 
  • 'People answer questions that haven't been asked, and don't answer questions that have been asked...'
  • how Dan Norman from The End of Vandalism talks
  • Louise Darling, priests, God and attraction
  • 'God is like having an imaginary friend'
  • returning to his beginnings and The End of Vandalism's 21st birthday
  • Drury's 'Grouse County' series
  • the past and the present in smalltown America
  • from conversation to spareness - the evolution of Drury's style
  • With The End of Vandalism, I really got into letting them speak'
  • 'Why is this bucket in the yard?'
  • 'Dowel rods I always found kind of humorous'
  • 'Grouse County', Iowa and the place of place in Drury's work
  • cars
  • Drury's childhood in Swaledale, Iowa
  • Drury's childhood reading
  • reading, escapism and 'the world beyond' Iowa
  • 'Practically everything lay outside my experience'
  • London, Berlin and Drury's return to Mason City, Iowa
  • how has the real 'Grouse County' changed?
  • the Bookmobile and why Drury wanted to be a writer
  • 'Books are so important we are going to send out a truckful of them'
  • the slow erosion of rural America
  • Drury, Bob Dylan and the grain elevator
  • 'And you think there is no excitement in that landscape.'
  • 33 min
  • Episode 15 - Tom Drury on Music and Memory
    In the next episode of This Writing Life, James Kidd talks to the extraordinary American novelist Tom Drury, author of The End of Vandalism, Hunts in Dreams, Pacific and The Driftless Area, among others. 
    ----more----In this trailer for our two-part conversation, mainly about the British re-release of The End of Vandalism Drury discusses his love of music. Having stumbled over Druryish, Druryean - Druryesque, we move from Led Zeppelin to Roxy Music. Brian Eno's hair makes a feeling appearance (what else is new) as Drury considers how music transports the imagination. 
    To read my own review of The End of Vandalism in The Independent, click this.
    4 min
  • Episode 14 - Amit Chaudhuri Part 2
    The second part of my chat with Amit Chaudhuri began with a discussion of his literary inheritance - that combined Philip Larkin with Tagore. 
    ----more----From there we headed towards Bengali culture and onwards to: 
    • Ideas of 'ownership' of culture - Bengali and English
  • English conceptions of India and 'Asia'
  • class in India and England
  • finding your voice as a writer
  • discovering that your subject is 'the rhythms of the everyday' 
  • 'What you see on the street, from a window, a balcony...Maybe even the toilet and the bath as private spaces where you achieve certain kind of movements...'
  • the influence of Ulysses - for and against
  • a Portrait of Chaudhuri of a Young (Tolstory and Joyce) Reader
  • 'I suddenly realised that Tolstoy's way was not going to be my way'
  • reading, writing and daydreaming
  • looking, place and translation - Dublin and Calcutta
  • falling love with DH Lawrence - 'the everyday was always being transformed'
  • the problems of plot
  • memoir v autobiographical fiction
  • 'I am not in any conventional way interested in autobiography'
  • stories and repetition 
  • further thoughts on Joyce and the 'joy in the provisional'
  • writing as an act of memorialisation 
  • 'For me, more alive means all the inconsequential, random things that make up our lives'
  • Homer - Odysseus meets his son
  • was writing Odysseus Abroad cathartic in any way
  • Chaudhuri as musician
  • And with that, pretty much, Chaudhuri's taxi arrived. For James Wood's review in The New Yorker, click here.
    32 min
  • Episode 13 - Amit Chaudhuri Part 1
    Amit Chaudhuri is a novelist, academic and musician whose books include A New World, The Immortals and most recently Odysseus Abroad. 
    ----more----His talent for close observation of everyday details, events and characters have earned him comparison to Proust, though Chaudhuri tends to work on rather smaller canvasses. 
    We met in an extremely noisy cafe in Oxford, and began by discussing Chaudhuri's own time as a postgraduate student in the city over two decades earlier. In the same way that this period inspired his second novel, Afternoon Raag, Chaudhuri's arrival in London and undergraduate degree in English at University College is the basis for Odysseus Abroad. As well as describing an early love of poetry, the novel traces through its allusive form a love of Homer and James Joyce. In the first part of our conversation, we also talked about: 
    • his ambition to be a poet
  • his early career as a novelist and academic
  • why Oxford didn't inspire him as a writer
  • his memories of literary students and England's intellectual culture
  • Chadhuri's first visits to England in the 1970s
  • racism, Enoch Powell and Margaret Thatcher
  • why Chaudhuri wrote about undergraduate days in London
  • how a memoir became a novel thanks to Homer's Odyssey
  • how Chaudhuri's Uncle Radesh the uncle in Odysseus Abroad
  • how a charcoal sketch, 'Ulysses', by the Indian painter FN Sousa shaped the character of Uncle Radesh
  • Uncle Radesh becomes Odysseus, Chaudhuri becomes Telemachus
  • ten years later, Chaudhui begins to write a memoir
  • how Stephen Daedelus turned the book into a novel about unhappiness and alienation in London
  • how an Indian literary student reads Shakespeare's Sonnet 18: 'Shall I compare thee to a summer's day?'
  • 'I learned about language through the weather. I also learned about my love of light and of life through London'
  • the importance of travel and living 'abroad' for Chaudhuri's writing
  • poetry as Chaudhuri's first love
  • 'I am far more excited by discovering the German poet Gunter Eich than anything on the Booker Prize shortlist, with very good reason'
  • time, slowness and Chaudhuri's prose
  • popular culture and why Chaudhuri loves The Simpsons. 
  • Amit Chaudhuri's website can be found here.
    37 min
  • Episode 12 - Brian Turner Part 4
    In the final part of my epic conversation with the American soldier-poet Brian Turner, our attention turned to the question: does writing help confront trauma and the violence he has witnessed and indeed participated in. 
    ----more----Other subjects include: 
    • 'Sergeant Turner' vs Brian Turner: Poet
  • the part of Turner and his colleagues that died in Iraq
  • the rise of ISIS in Iraq
  • how do you live with the experiences he has had
  • how do I be happy
  • love and a reading about his wife from My Life as a Foreign Country
  • transitioning from war poet to poet
  • can you leave the war behind? 
  • trying to understand the 'enemy'
  • the time Turner was almost killed
  • writing about torture and Turner's complicity with this
  • can poems change people's attitude to torture, Guantanamo etc
  • Iraq and the news cycle
  • art, empathy, sharing and understanding
  • 'The historians are wrong. We have decades ahead of us, just with Iraq'
  • why Sweden has taken more Iraqi refugees than US
  • is Turner a political writer?
  • 'There could be a lot more troubling of the water'
  • Turner on the future of Iraq
  • on returning to Baghdad in 2012
  • And then, finally, we headed to lunch. 


    25 min
  • Episode 10 - Brian Turner Part 3
    In part three of my epic conversation with Brian Turner, we begin by discussing how the Soldier Poet bears witness, 
    ----more----and how ideas of complicity distinguish this from other kinds of war writing. 
    We then moved on to:
    • what inspired Turner to write about war
  • the stories being told by Iraqis about the war
  • the war as perceived by the Generals and soldiers on the ground
  • Mosul, the media and bearing witness
  • how the war will be assessed by historians
  • drones, video games and technology
  • war films and the reality of film
  • war, boredom and the intensity of the moment
  • how poetry investigates the moment
  • suicide and stress of war
  • what Turner can and can't talk about
  • 'the war has a tombstone over it'
  • why the Iraq war has not ended
  • Turner's own return home
  • did you suffer any post-traumatic stress
  • 'If you're going to send people off to war, they are going to come back with baggage'
  • Veterans in need of help
  • how we treat our veterans reflects the health of our nation
  • 25 min

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