Tim, Ian, Lydia, and Cassandra look at the recent story of an anarchist who was involved with a group that sought to kidnap and possibly even murder the governor of Michigan, Gretchen Whitmer and what it means that people are so willing to go to such lengths in a time of heightened political stress. Conversation ensues about the pending civil war, what it means to be an anarchist, and cults (and whether the left is one).

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