On this episode of This vs. That, we sit down with Robert Cheong, founder of Gospel Care Ministries and former pastor of care at Sojourn Church Midtown.

We explore the critical distinction between normal ministry tiredness and burnout, discussing how we can recognize the signs when regular exhaustion begins shifting toward burnout.

Drawing from his extensive pastoral experience, Robert shares valuable insights on maintaining healthy rhythms in ministry and understanding the challenges faced by church leaders today.

Whether you're in vocational ministry, serving in your local church, or simply want to support those in ministry, this conversation offers practical wisdom for navigating the complexities of spiritual leadership while maintaining personal well-being.

Resources Mentioned

Gospel Care Ministries

Restoration Story: Why Jesus Matters in a Broken World – Robert Cheong

Restore: Changing How We Live and Love – Robert Cheong

God Redeeming His Bride: A Handbook for Church Discipline – Robert Cheong

Gentle and Lowly: The Heart of Christ for Sinners and Sufferers – Dane Ortlund

You’re Only Human: How Your Limits Reflect God’s Design and Why That’s Good News – Kelly Kapic

The Imperfect Pastor: Discovering Joy in Our Limitations through a Daily Apprenticeship with Jesus – Zack Eswine

The Unwavering Pastor: Leading the Church with Grace in Divisive Times – Jonathan Dodson

A Praying Life: Connecting with God in a Distracting World – Paul E. Miller

Abide in Christ – Andrew Murray

The Night Is Normal: A Guide Through Spiritual Pain – Alicia Britt Chole

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