Touchdowns and Tangents

Kenny and Pete break down the latest NFL news including Jaire Alexander and Shaqil Griffin. They also dive into the latest rap, nba trade controversies and more.

Are you tired of the same mold sports media? Are you tired of hot takes, argument and questions that are just completely off ba. Luckily we have something for you. Touchdowns and Tangents of the People, for the people, by people who care about the culture, commentary, some good people, Hawthorne, California. Here it's p D. Camrio, Kenneth Frank, James Berry. We are Touchdowns and Tangents your Thursday night spot for NFL Takes, Topical Tangents, Touchdowns and Tangents dot Com t D's Underscore Tangents, kenn Even what the fuck going on tonight? Shout out to everybody who's made it another week. We know the world to other shit, but you still got to live like like you gotta go to work tomorrow, even if we're in the middle of an apocalypse, even if your core keeps cutting on every time you do it exactly when you notice it ain't stop shit And I did it. Yeah, man, it was a slow news week, but that's because we're in the middle of the dead off season. Like it's gonna pick back up in two weeks. Sure, training camps start in less than thirty days and Media Media Day for college football starts in July. I'll be in Texas for Big twelve media day the eighth and the ninth, might get there seventh, I don't know. Probably just going to try to get there that morning because I don't need to spend the day. Before or five more time. And it was just that, Yeah, I'd be in Texas for a week. But whatever. Shout out to the shoutout Tuck was pretty Thunder for winning the NBA championship. Is really shitty that Halliburton popped his achilles towards Achilles, But honestly, see how they make sure of the villain. If you're not being enough of a villain. How do how do you make the league MVP the villain when he has no criminal record? He got traded on Draft night. This is all Paul George's fault. If you want to blame anybody for Halliburton's injury and everybody who popped the achilles, this is all Paul George and his stupid ass podcast fault. You can literally blame the Thunder winning a championship on Paul George, Draymond Green and who else you want to name the Mavericks, the Dallas Mavericks, You know and the Spurs, you know, Adam Silver because the Spurs getting all this talent they set up capital. Was on the floor every time Dame Justin or Jason Tatum yep, and like like three other dule toward their achilles. I think he was on the floor when. Yeah, and he's not He's not ever beating the Chargers. After they did that prayer game six and his eyes rolled in the back of his head. That shit was kind of demonic, bro, Like, you're never beating those allegations. And you the. Crazy thing is they took that man off the floor and he had zero files in game seven, I'd be like, that's the time he get ejected. Bro. Shout out to O'Connell. Though that kid put that dude balled out. He earned himself a fat pay day down the line. I'm not evenna lie. I didn't even watch any of the NBA playoffs that the Clippers lost, we know, but a former Race said they said Game six was one of the most watched games ever. But they also said at the beginning of the series, like the first two or three games were like some of the lowest watch ever. And it didn't help that the NBA had a fucking sail in the middle of the finals with the Lakers finally admitting their broke boys and selling to Proteck, the group that owns the Dodgers, which was big news out here in LA for sure, just because man La Laker fans finally admitted that the family money was holding them back, but they just weren't. I think it's good for the Lakers though overall. But so when Lebron becomes partner, you had that, and then somebody else got traded. It's been bang got traded during the finals. Somebody else got traded to. Porzingis got traded to the OKD got traded during the finals. Yeah, I mean yeah, so that's wild. And Porzingia's got traded like the dead after to the to the can't get out of its own damn way. Looky, the Hawks are kind of nice with that roster. They have now that for like four years. No, but like they actually look like we've been saying that for like four years. But they're the Hawks. The Hawks. They just find a way to be the Hwks bro the expectations. I got a homie from the Nabjo's been binging the table for the Hawks for like five years, Bro, stop stop hitting the table. So they're gonna be No, they're not. If they didn't do ship after they won like seventy games or sixty nine games one year and Kyle kover shipped the bed in the playoffs, it's never happening, Atlanta Hawks, It's never happening. Dominique wilkins son looks like the truth. Though Dominic Wilkins can say whatever he wants. He was at one point some jamming bro at one point his son was. At one point Dominique. Is like head over the fucking rim, just fucking jamming on ship Bro, like fucking sixteen bro. At one point, crazy Dominique Wilcoms was better than what people well, he's what BRONI, He's what. People want Brownie to be. Brownie was never even that athletic exactly, and it's only like sixty six and ship. Bryce is more athletic than Bronnie, and everybody's saying Bryce won't even make it, which is crazy because I remember the dick eating like and everybody was like, you know, Brownie's gonna be. Brownie has a better offensive bag. I know Bryce is a better offensive bag than Brownie. It's not even close he does. It's not even close. So I'm like, why are y'all sating? Y'all went from just because he's walking on at Arizona when he probably could have got a skylarship anywhere else. The kick but some of the some of these just top flat propects out of high school. Don't listen like you're really not that guy. Go to like the Big West and become the greatest player in school history in the Big West, and then you become that guy. Let's just look at Halliburnen bro going and trying to be a twelfth man in Arizona, get no burn, and then you transfers some white bitch. Wow, that was a lot. I mean, I wasn't gonna go straight to just white bitch. I was gonna say just a thought. But you know, wow, my bad, Like you jump the gun. No, you just jump the gun like you don't start a white bitch. You just say, oh, you're gonna get pregnant by a thought and she got more money than you, and then you're just gonna be that broke boy. You're just gonna be like yeah, yeah, yeah, you'll change. Like we know what's Brodley's most viral moment, you'll change fake. That's his most of our moment, not him being on the court with his father and then never anything mean, y'r chang fake. But anyway, Dominie Wilkins at one point was better than Jordan from what the old heads tell me. He was that crazy. He was that like he was He's going head to head with Jordan at one point, like that's that's what I've heard. That's Cannon apparently with the old doc with old I think this is a thirty for thirty on Dominique Wilkins too. But yeah, he just he was like Paul George, but with way less flash he wasn't. No, Paul George was nowhere near as nice as a Dominique Wilkins. And I didn't forget about all that shit y'all talking about Kobe and what Trace McGrady said and Jim Jones. I'm just holding my anger and vitory all towards the end of the show. This is gonna be a very peaceful opening to the show. But let's get back to football, because you know we talked that's what touchdowns intense it is. Aaron Rodgers said he's gonna retire. This is gonna be his last season. This is it. No, Michael Jackson, Like, this is literally it for him, and at forty two and twenty one years in, I mean, it would be crazy if he let them to a playoff. Birth. I just think it's dumb that he's doing this whole last Dance thing because it's like signing the last Dance bro. It's like the Paul Pierce retirement tour. Yeah, that wasn't even though he is one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, he's top five exactly what it is, he's top five. I just think, what if they actually get closed, Like what if they actually do make it to the second or third round of the playoffs and he can go out with his head with his head one year with Pittsburgh, that's it. Like, had one of the best seasons in Jets history. You're twenty eight touchdowns and eleven paces. I'm saying a lot for J's QB history. Twenty eight and eleven. I'm not saying that's bad now when I say that, Okay, but when I say that and you're like, Joe name is one of the greatest ever, No, he wasn't. Literally not he was. He's literally not. He's running back literally came back against one of the greatest raider teams ever. That's cool, that's cool, that's cool. He earned the spot Hall of Fame. One of the greatest played right now. Also, the quarterbacks have to do kind of a lot less, now, can we be honest? You just got to get the He's not better than Jim Plunket. Let's really talk about it. Let's know, let's get that ship on the floor. You're not gonna tell me Joe Naming is better than Jim Plunket. You're smoking crack, my boy? Did you so? Jim Plunkett just doesn't ever to be in the Hall of Fame, alright? Cool? I ever said that? Man, I never said that. I'm just saying now, people, I'm saying you were the You're the main person that I know who was ready to flare ship up and kicks ship off at every tailgate over Jim Plunking now being in the Hall of Fame, and it's just weird now. Be in the Hall of Fame. He better than johnamon I mean, we gotta stop gashing. Brett Farve was better than Joe Namath. I mean, statistically, maybe no better, was I don't know what the fucking jets. I think you need to understand, Joe. That's like wearing the Michelin Star with fucking McDonald's. You know what I'm saying, that's like winning a fucking Michelin star. McDonald's better than Cam Newton. What are you talking about Cam Newton? What I'm saying, if you're playing Cam Newton, probably Cam Newton won. An m v B Great Player m v P. No, he was fucking mid. He was like worse

Kenny and Pete talk about the latest in NFL free agency and why the Bengals have beef with every one. Don't bring vienna sausasges to graduation parties. Catch it here and on touchdownsandtangents.com

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Not too busy of the week, but some shit actually did happen, like I don't know, the Raiders finally got competent linebackers. Shit was crazy. The Bengals aren't war with themselves with another first round pick. Yeah, man, how do you feel about that? He just kind of called out the organization. He hasn't even signed his first contract, and he mentioned Trey Hendrickson's deal, which is a no go, so you know, he's a rookie. You know though, you at a point, but I think we should say, Joe, well you brought it up, so now we're gonna say that to the end. Anyways, what else we gonna talk about? Well, some people got inducted until some Hall of Fames, Edelman. I think Bill Parcells and Edelman are going into the Patriots Hall of Fame. We also. A couple of guys for the Vikings are getting inducted, and. I forgot the other one, but great reported shut up. No, I mean mostly just certain guys aren't coming too Mini Camp GJ. Watt. Yeah, that's really been the story. There's really just the three holdouts TJ. Watt, Trey Hendrickson, and the third person, Scary Terry Claron for the Commanders, all three of them in the last year of a deal using the show up. And you can't really blame either one of them because they finally gave him a wide receiver and he had like fourteen touchdown catches in over a thousand yards and they got to the Nancy Title game. He just gave scary Terry, who wasn't even the first round pick. If you just gave him a competent quarterback and built up the defense a little bit, look what happens. So yeah, yeah, you trade for Deebo. And honestly, Deebo Samuel's looking fat as hell. Bro, I ain't gonna lie. I'm not even being a hater boy looking like a he's looking like a fullback who can play running back. Is looking like every bit of a gadget player, like moonlighting as a receiver. He's looking kind of heavy. It's weird to see. Somebody called him the black Kyle Juice check and I was like, damn, But yeah, he's the best receiver you have. He's really the best player in your offense outside of Jayden Daniels. So they the commanders need to pay him and quit playing around and Henderson all principals shouldn't, you know, he shouldn't show up till he gets paid either. Because he's the leading the sack leader for two he's in a row. He you know, the Bengals have to sing or they don't want to pay players. Again, it goes right back to that first round pick situation, so we're just gonna leave the entire Bengals. Yeah. I don't get that whole Bengals thing because I feel like they have fans. I feel like people go to the games. Even when they were shitty, they always went to the games. So it's like, I don't understand whether their ownership is so bad. Like you're in a position to be the best you've ever you you just the best era of Cincinnati Bengals football ever, and look what you're doing, So you know, it's to me, it's kind of crazy, like these holdouts are real for people, and you still got free agents out there who are lingering so well, since Aaron Rodgers is off the market, that pretty much like what does Kirk Cousins do. Yeah, I was gonna say that because everyone's been talking about how his trade market is just pretty much dead. So I mean, I think wherever the first injury is, there's an opportunity. Same thing for like the Giants quarterbacks, which everyone falls to third is probably gonna get cut. Yeah, I forgot the Patriots are unveiling Tom Brady's statue. And about that. That's crazy. Wild between him owning part of the Raiders and having a statue, that's crazy, just like Charles Whitson being INA's. Ringing on it but. From Ohio. Yeah, and his son got an offer from Michigan. Crazy. Oh yeah. The biggest one. Speaking the defensive backs, Marvin Harrison fucking hype. No no, no, no, no, no, no no no. That's all the fucking Aaron Rodgers CLS commercial b ro. That's why os they slowed that ship down. They're like, this ship looks perfect for US commercial and they put the Seas commercial. On it and I was like, this shit actually does work perfectly. That'd be a hell of a rollout. Everyone's just been fucking drooling over Marvin Harrison Junior. It's discussing he is jack. It's his dad got him in the lab but said. You're just gonna have the big body because you got a short quarterback who's gonna be throwing the hell Mary balls to you him as well. Tyler says he's hoping for his best year every year. So this is finally the one. Speaking of players that franchises, are frustrated with the Packers finally cut college football. That's what how do you believe? Damn we can talk about that, right's football out? You think I just have college football and was off the top of my head, you do, that's literally your thing. I'm mad you do a little bit. So they passed the Supreme Court pasted it. The two point was eight point two billion. It's just you know, I think it's like two point eight billion dollars were of back pay for people who didn't get money off the name and just likeness. And I think it's twenty I think it's like twenty nineteen. They start twenty sixteen and up DJ Williams who went to you, which those dudes in the nineties really got to shut the hell up, because bro, y'all all got paid under the table. Shut up. You hated those generation after you, or you got caught giving money to the generation after you, and then when it like three generations after you sucked, you stopped supporting them. It's like if you had built something, had you had built a stronger fellowship with the younger cats after you, regardless of what the record was on the field, then y'all would be able to just launder money to each other. But no, it was holes, clothes and fast cars, all types of dumb shit for all those two thousands late two thousands players in the league. Let's be real, and y'all were y'all collective bar getting skills. Weren't that great. So what this pretty much means is now all these schools are launching saying yes, we are gonna fully pay are athletes with this nil money from this particular fund. UNLV rolled some stuff out. A bunch of schools are rolling stuff out when us he's already doing their thing. And I think for the new video games, about twenty six schools are gonna get paid and like more money. Based on how many times their schools used in the game. Greats, some more data tracking and more micro transactions school fuck you, Yeah, and then more and more there you go, uh and then more players are are were talked about it and reported, but more players are getting paid, like twelve hund more than twelve hundred. Now they were only gonna get like sick. They're getting paid more money for the game and likeness and all that stuff. But with all the skins that they're probably gonna have. Yeah, and if cats own logos and all that. There's so much money to be had if only the schools taught kids to you know, create corporations and businesses instead of treating their education like a corporation in the business, but as fucked so. But anyway, that was someone closet. Yeah, very good. I was just giving a summation of really, like the help most of our childhoods. I agree, I'm just saying it didn't. We're not starting that Trump. It's ship blame Bush. I blame Bush for everything and people. I feel like we don't boo him a nag, but yeah, I mean, yeah, definitely Reagan, but like we don't blame Bush enough. We just call him a gulible idiot and oh he owned the Rangers fucked man. Yeah, this kind of connects back to George Bush because like they tried to get years ago, they tried to get presidents former presidents to back this this build of legislation to try to you know, control what athletes could get where how much student athletes can get made, and to the point where they were like, we could we own your image name and image lightness through perpetuity. They were working through those kind of deals trying to put people in three sixties back then. So the fact that this rually happened and a bunch of players like a Baker Mayfield, I mean, a bunch of athletes are gonna be getting back pay. So that's great some of that billion. But yeah, if you played in the if you played, bro, if you we're in the league. Honestly, I think that rule should go back to twenty ten if it was me even like before that. If you played, if you were in the league. After like two thousand and one, after like the Miami Hurricanes, like once, I think once we got to like USC and like. Matt Lioner and. All Brune and Ronnie Brown and them, I think once you get to like Matt Liner and up, they should get reimbursed. Does that make sense? Like there's like okay, let's say from like ninety nine or like ninety eight to like say two thousand and two, like bro, sorry, y'all are just fucked. Like ninety seven to like. What you know what I mean, like you're gonna screw but everybody else it's like, a

Kenny and Pete react to Aaron Rodgers joining the Steelers, Bateman staying with the Ravens, Five Star Qbs and more. Catch it here and on touchdowns and tangents

Are you tired of the same old sports media? Are you tired of hot argument and questions that are just completely based? Lately we have something before humans, touchdowns of tangents of the people, for the people, by people. Who care about the cult church all commentary. Mhmm, what's up, good people? Touchdowns and Tangents here from Hawthorne, California. I'm P D Camrio and he is Kenneth Barry. But there's no sound in my headphones. I can it seems like a personal problem. I don't think you really needed I just. I cannot can hear myself whatever you did. Before that work anyways, to regularly schedule programming. This is Touchdowns and Tangents. I'm PD Camery and he is Ken James, and we are your Thursday night spot for NFL takes topical tangents for the culture used to be live but a shout out to speaker for messing that up. So should we say Thursday Night? So yeah, we're kind of recording a little bit earlier. Normally we'd be able to talk about the thunder game, but now it's happenings as we're recording. So outside of that, I mean, the news of the day is obviously Aaron Rodgers finally committing to a teams. Yeah, a lot of people applying the move saying tomlin is that's what Tomin needs. A veteran quarterback, do you think? I mean it'd be interesting because they just gave him the playbook ahead of time. It's just like, yeah, Aaron Rodgers don't need to be a mini camp. You need to make who's gonna play left guard? Because honestly, I think they should just move Braxton Jones back to left tackle and Troy Fantano should should have been a right guard, a left guard out the gate the way they originally planned it. The right tackle situation I think is pretty good. They took two old linements back to back. So yeah, back to Jones because I think he's been playing left and right. But uh, I think he should just be the guy left tackle because I'm sorry towards a c L he's only like six to four damn near hair over six three, Like, bro you should you should be playing left guard and it would enhance the overall toive line because they already have their guy at at center and they got the skill players. I think you gotta bringing a guy like Karon Rodgers. Really it was just counting down. There shouldn't be any mistakes. My whole thing is, is this Pittsburgh team any better than the Jets last year? Even if the Jets might have been the best, if the Jets would have been operating at full capacity from week one to Week sixteen, I think they would have been better. And also if they would have had Adams earlier, I think they would have been better. So I don't know about that. They also playing a really tough division. I mean, we know what the Ravens and the Bengals are gonna bring. The Browns I think are still going to be real competitive. So yeah, I don't know what to expect for Steeler fans, but I know they're gonna be excited. They're gonna be pumped. They're gonna spend money on jerseys and tickets and things of that nature, so good for them. They're gonna be annoying and talk shit, but that's what they do anyway. So I just don't know if it's going to be any better than I mean, even even last year's Pittsburgh team, like they made the playoffs, So what Rogers maybe makes a one game difference on that team. He had a whole turnover at skilled physicians. They're really just turning that whole offense over offen. Why I was injured. I mean, it's about the same situation except the head coach. So if Mike Tomlin could get them to the playoffs with Russell Wilson and Justin Fields, Aaron Rodgers can hold his own. He proved he had a great he had one of the best years. That's ironic. To win the Super Bowl against the Steelers and then win the Super Bowl with the Steelers. That'd be hilarious. And Tomlin might retire after that, but Aaron Rodgers could definitely retire after that. But honestly, they might end up trading TJ. Wak because that man wants to get paid. He hasn't even been at OTAs, So imagine trading TJ wat because you don't want to. But it's the Pittsburgh Steelers. They just developed all pro air rushers no matter who they draft, who they signed, anything else. You want to talk about, anything else, we need to talk about. Well, Frank Ragnall retired the Lion Center, All Pro, four time Pro Bowler. He retired after seven years about Arkansas and he helped usher in a new error for Lions football. He was everything that was bad. I'm surprised he didn't last a full ten years, but honestly, Andrews were really beating his body down. And for sinners, I feel like sinners take a lot of abuse and nobody really cares to talk about. And yes, I was a former center and tackle high school, played multiple spots, so I understand the beating of the Lions have a replacement on oh yeah, and they can also go sign old boy. The Raiders cut if they really needed a center. And Smith, Andre was Andre Miller. That's Andre. It was Andre Smith. We know we're talking about what's his name. I can't believe I'm Andre James, the Spencer James because you know, on all Americans that was horrible out running and Andre James was kind of horrible and some things. But whatever, crazy how he was a tackle in college and made his money as a center. But I could see, you know, Yeah. The other thing about playing center is it's a lot of stress on your knees. It's like being a catcher because you gotta be in your stands the longest, longer than anyone else. And people don't realize how flexible centers are, how how flexible, how. Strong they are. Look at Nigga Mango. I always think about that. Hand eye coordination to. Hand eye coordination for a center from snap to different people pressing their hands against your nether regions. But yeah, I feel like the lines, the one thing they do is they always keep centering. Let's just sit there thinking about they always find into your linement. Think about the life of a center. Bro, Someone's like hitting you in the gooch a thousand times a game, like, bro, Like, that's why they have like the. Core muscle injuries. That's why these guys lose all that weight they have to you're gonna die like it effects. Like people don't really talk about the effects that playing offensive line has on the human body. And I'm not even like I know, like you know, we'd be laughing and joking to be stick. But no, as a former center, like playing tackle was so much easier on my body than playing center because it's like, yeah, at tackle, it's a foot it's a foot knee thing. It's your feet and your knees. Do your feet in your knees work in unison, Okay, then then you'll be all right, you don't really get much, not gonna get a lot, maybe some hip injuries. But it also depends on you, know, how physical you play, the type of player you are. Some guys are all finessed with technique, and some guys will just start a fight at one end of a restaurant and end up in the parking lot. It just varies. But at center, it's just like, hey, you're at the center of a car crash. Every play, well, you're the start of the car crash. Everything starts. You're the car. You're actually the car. You're the one who's gonna get a hit at like seventy miles an hour by a blitzing linebacker that runs a four three forty and Vida Veya standing in front of you. So good luck with that, because getting hit that that's including was like getting hit in the chest with the slave Jamer even in high school. Bro like the beating a center takes. That's why like centers and fullbacks and de tackles just have special places in my heart. Because only the three of us. Really know how badly we fuck each other up, like we do destructive life altering damage to each other in the trenches, and we still manage to have a moral code. That's so it's like Frank Ragnall, one of the pro one of the truest professionals, one of the best Line, the best centers in Line's history, which is saying a lot because they've had a couple so you know, I'm glad he's retiring Joy's money, Joyce family, and he helped turn a franchise around, so good for him. But Dan Morgan Dan Campbell was like, we love Frank, but the goal is the goal. We gotta keep moving. Next man up, So it'll be interested to see if they go get Andre James though. I think that'd be ideal if they they got guys on that roster who can play multiple spots, so it would be interesting. Yeah, all right, Uh, moving on. I think this week's gonna be a lightning episode. But uh, college football, Kenny take it away. Uh, Well, the whole bowl schedule came out. The bowl schedule for this upcoming year came out. The Bahamas Bowl isn't gonna be playing in the Bahamas for like the third year in a row. That's a lot. Yeah, I'd be pissed if I go to the Bahamas Bowl and weird in fucking Kentucky or something. I'm swinging on somebody. Uh. There is also. More talks, especially going to the media day, especially the SEC set of record in the College Baseball World Series for most teams eliminated in the first round or something like that, some crazy ass number. But yeah, back to college football. So people are already talking up Arch Manning, you know, so though he's gonna be the greatest thing since SI spread this year, and you know, people are kind of talking Tomack, especially when it comes to just the draft prospects. Like you can already see like the negative. I don't like the negative energy already around this next year's QB glass. I don't like it. It's like, so if Arch plays bad and still classic clarifiers for the draft, they'll still say he's the top pick, but been by way of maintaining his legitimacy, is the top pick. They're gonna shoot on every quarterback in the class, you know what I mean. It's like, Okay, they Caleb Williams was a consensus go, but you have to you had to consider Michael Pennick Jr. All these other guys, you know, like you have to be like, hey, they actually m

Kenny and Pete catch up on the latest NFL free agency news as well as the rule and policy changes. They also get into epic tangents about SD backers, retro offensive linemen, east coast versus west coast rap and more.

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Well, if we didn't, weren't talk about it right now, and if we did, sorry for playing into the part of the media that always talks about the Cowboys. Yeah, but first, before we do any of that restipees. Jim irsay, we're starting to show. Jim irsay, that was not on my beagal card. Yeah, I thought you were gonna say something at the end. Now he died like today, no, yesterday, yesterday literally yeah, it's Thursday. I literally get the whole breaking news alert work. Oh what had happened? It's the normal day. Kendric concert giving up for it outside and boom, Jim Mercede dies were like, oh shit at sixty five. A lot of people, you know he I like that the picture of him when he drafted Peyton Manning and he looks worlds away from that. He was not in good health. His his bout with drugs and everything was kind of well documented. Painkillers, all kinds of stuff. But he built the Colts and so one of the best organizations in football, got them the Super Bowl, helped move on from paid Manning. You know, you guys like Jonathan Taylor, Anthony Richardson, Michael Pippan junior, like he's he's built one of the most helped, you know, building with loyal fan bases, Colts fans, you know, in the league. And he did a lot, a lot of philothropic work Baltimore and Andy. That was one of the things that popped up the most is like all the organizations that he helped like came out, you know and spoke and you know, his last tweet was go Pacers, you know, get him Vallaburton and all that. And then the Pacers ended up coming back on the Knicks because they choked him, blew a fourteen point lead in two minutes. Yeah, that's a wild ty. I didn't think about that, but that's true. That's crazy. Yeah, and then you know, Halliburton does that famous Reggie Miller choked job. Honestly, he thought his foot, he thought his foot wasn't on the line, because you know, you don't do that for a tie, but yeah, he did it for they went over time and ended up winning. It was crazy, but yeah, he was an impact on the league, undeniable. He took over the team from his father and uh, he literally worked every position in the organization on his way up until he became an owner. He was a ball boy. I think he worked at Concessions at one point, like literally worked in every single department of that. And yeah, Lucas Oil Stadium is a it's a somber place without him. But you know, he helped build a lot of infrastructure and bring a lot of money to the state of Indiana and especially downtown Indiana. So you know, anytime Colt fans go to these games, that's the house that Jim Mersey helped build. They should be proud of that. So rest in peace to him. I know. You know, people have said things about him in the past because you know, he was going through all the stuff they arrested, drugs and all that. But somebody dies, you should really look at the totality of like everything. Oh yeah, I hear you fair enough that that was a good a little tribute, a little shut out. Yeah, I mean to. Make Indie even like a piece of the football world is I mean, it's good on THESA and it's good on the brand of the NFL. I feel like what the Coats were kind of really helped, you know, NFL really kind of cross over even more so, you know with Peyton manning teams and Andrew just playing on the Dome, all the Super Bowls they had their you know, the tie into white culture and NASCAR and everything else that's Indiana feels like I haven't been there, I know, you have, but it's just always to me has felt like it's beautiful downtown of those one of those big cities that feels like a football town just because the importance of the team to that area. It feels times just based on like the freeways and all that. But then you actually get to the congested parts, like it's downtown Indie. I didn't even really get to explore all of it, but just the part that I was on, it's beautiful. It really is. And if you've never hit a brewery in downtown Indiana, it has to be on your bucket list. And that chicken spot, that chicken fry spot that like hot honey chicken fry, the best chicken frizes I've ever had in my life. All right back to George Pickens. So, yeah, the Stinglers traded George Pickens to the Cowboys getting the draft conversation, but the fact that I mean, I know this has been said, but it's like, I guess DK Map gets to wear fourteen after all? Did they not realize. All the steerious receivers that have washed out after they got traded, Like. None of them have panned out. Actually, I think accept me and I don't even think Antonio Holmes got traded. Did he just go to the Jets? He was actually decent on the Jets. Yeah, I don't know. It's like the only dude everybody else, I mean Plexico, but Plaxico didn't get traded. Did he saw a free agent? He signed with them as a free agent. Yeah, he signed with them as a free agent. But yeah, probably Plexico. It's probably the only one. Yeah, so Plexic. I guess kind of Antonio bro was cheez No, he had like a I think he had a thousand and it was like barely a thousand. It was like a thousand and three. So that counts. He wasn't in the locker room cancer when he got there. It's my point. He wasn't the problem. He just kind of fell off towards the end. That was a coach at Central State. But yeah, I mean, my Tomlin. There needs to be a thirty for thirty on Mike. There needs to be like a whole doc Like, there needs to be like a Netflix documentary special on Mike Tomlin because this man is like, this man is the leader of men. Think about all the people, all the head cases he managed, Yes, Steelers head coach bro forget James tribute to the James Harrison crash out, some of Ike Taylor crash out. Uh fair, not fair, But like the D line, all the receivers, Big Ben crash out. Maybe On Bell crash out, Antonio Brown crash out. Mike Wallace, Yeah, Mike Wallace was another Steelers receiver that actually was good after he left. Crash out, Pickens crash out, Marteles Bryant crash out. Yeah. I mean, if you break it down, most of his crash outs being receivers, running backs and Big Ben and one one or two Steelers defenders. But I mean you can't really call the pouncy Twins crash out. He was just a great center. That just a tough song, bitch. But yeah, it's great for the Cowboys honestly because Pickings you have to cover George Pickens. Yeah, I mean, Ceedee Lamb is getting a one on one. Gosh, God, God have mercy on that poor dB soul. I mean, I like it a lot for the Cowboys. I don't like it as much for him. I feel like he's gonna get lost in the sauce in that offense, as someone always does. He's finally going to a QB that can actually get somebody the ball. Though Dak is one of the oldest people on that team. He can get guys the ball. He's had career years throwing the ball, so I don't even doubt that. Even if they don't have a great running game, ass in game should be pretty smooth because you got George Pickens and CD Lamb out there for sure. And that's what I'm saying. And if the veterans, if guys can like get a hold of him and be like, look, you have two guys who can run around and who can beat He's a deep threat. He have just like sixteen and a half yards to catch. Yeah, light work for him is sixteen yards to catch. No, So I think he's a big body receiver too. You can go up and get it. I just wish receivers would stop wearing fourteen. It's really ugly. It's like that's a quarterback number. That's a punter kicker number. Like receivers should only be allowed to wear zero through nine. You can only wear eleven if you're already an All Pro. Nobody should be wearing ten as a receiver or twelve. Mike Evans and half thirteen, but after that we gotta cut that off, like you gotta go seventeen to nineteen, like, yeah, zero to nine eleven only if you're nice, and then seventeen to nineteen. Those are my receiver numbers. And obviously the eighties that's what you can pick from. But let the running backs wear all lot of those lower numbers. All right, what else do we need to talk about? You want to talk about the flag football thing here? You want to talk about it in the segments, or you want to talk about got segments? We actually gotta talk about. Oh we gotta run down to seek. This's a whole rundown. Shit, I'm bad. Yeah, it's just all here making my own you know. Also, rather than yeah, where the fuck a were going, tell me what. We're talking about? Rock party and Fred Warner got paid. That's what that was gonna be my alternative if you didn't want to talk about the flag football. But yeah, the Niners talk about flag football. Don't worry there. The Niners uh paid out party. They paid out five Warner. Five years, two hundred and sixty five million dollars with a fully he's fully guaranteed, with no trade. That's pretty party Yeah, what the fuck are you giving Fred Warner two hundred and sixty five million dollars? I know. Fred Warner

Kenny and Pete breakdown the full NFL Draft

In the same old sports media. Are you tired of hot fakes, argument and questions that are just completely off base? Luckily we have something for you, touchdowns and tangsine of the people, for the people, by people who care about the culture. Commentary. Hm, that's some good people. Touchdowns and tangents here not officially live, but you get you get the drift. Hawthorne, California on pd Caamrio. He is Kenneth Berry, and we're here to talk a little bit about the rest of the draft. Bast time you heard us was on the day of the first round. Now we've got a week or so to really kind of let the dust set on and digest the full seven round in NFL Draft that occurred last week. With all that in mind, Kenny. Just I think you said when I asked you kind of what the headline would be. I think you said that there was going to be a lot of I don't remember what you said. Did you say there was gonna be a lot of lament taking. Yeah, No, that's not what you said. That sound like something you could say running backs. No, tryn't say there was going to be a run on running backs. No, that's not what receivers. You said that before, but when I asked you on the day, I don't remember. I have to go back and listen to it. Anyways, as of now, like, what do you think the overall headline of the draft is? I think good teams got better. I think you had a bad draft in this draft. That's just your fault. I feel like this is the draft where a lot of teams kind of rounded out their rosters. I feel like there was a lot of talent sprinkled out throughout the middle round. I mean we talked about it leading up to it. I mean there were guys that could have fallen anywhere from the first round to the fourth round, and you saw that unfold with the guy at your door and get his number called until the fourth round, even after the Browns had already taken the quarterback. But in those middle rounds, there were a lot of high end talented, skilled players that went. There were a lot of d linemen that went throughout the first and second rounds. There was a run on running backs in the middle rounds. I think we saw a good amount of quarterbacks go, even though this wasn't really thought of as a good quarterback class. I think a lot of guys we're seen as the developmental picks. People you can in and they can be camp arms now and perhaps they're develop into something later. There was a lot of trades. I mean, we talked about Houston and the Rams kind of training back, and now you look at that Rams trade and it's like they kind of fleecing Land in that because now they're going to be able to get their quarterback in the future next year, which is something that you said off. Yeah. Overall, man, I think when you look at the AFC West, I feel like all four teams really kind of had a good NFL draft, Like I feel like they all kind of address their needs and also got some talent upgrades, which is what you always want to do. And so for me, I think it's just gonna be one more indicator that's gonna be probably one of the toughest divisions. Again, the other kind. Of overall big narratives or themes you kind of took away from the whole three day draft experience. I'm glad the whole shador thing is over. Cam Ward really didn't get any real recognition for being the number one overall pick, and that's weird, especially since warn Moon unretires his jersey so he could wear it for the Titans. H Donavan Edward's going undrafted in the former Standford the Georgia Tighten going undrafted still kind of shocking to me. But I think a lot of these down drafted free agent guys probably gonna land on their feet somewhere many camps I've already. Kind of started. Yeahs Will Johnson is gonna wear number zero for the Cardinals. Yeah. I think for me, one thing that I kind of realized was the fact that U c. L A had more players drafted than you. USC was kinna that kind of nasty word. You said something that I'm really that I'm really proud of, to be honest with, you said that with a smile in your heart. Even Cal had four and three. Cal has ballers, which is crazy, but. Oregon has had the most, at least for for out here. But yeah, man, I was happy to see my my uh, happy to see my boy O two go to the Titans in the round two. I feel like I was a little high. But he's someone who's fast, athletic, can play off the ball on the edge, can really developed. He's got a lot of energy, Jalen Smith in the third round. Your guy Jonan Manheim went to the Jaguars. Yep, like that. Kyle Williams from Gowood slash Hawthorne third round to the Patriots. Perfect spot for him, fresh with him and Digs there and the fact that the Pats got two running backs. Titans also took Jason Slater, that guy had reviewed the Saints tick a lot of Viio out of. So Ja Tua. I think he went to the Colts. Yeah, he went to the Colts in the second n. But yeah, overall, I mean, we've talked about it all week, but I mean this is this was probably one of the best drafts we've seen from the Raiders in our times. Yeah, since the Super Bowl loss, Like that was from the top to bottom, the most well rounded draft. They got athletes who can play with hot character, build out their team needs. They got a couple receivers, they got projects. They got a couple of defensive linemen, a couple offensive linemen. I think if you you could go down the line and individually pick apart each pig, but I think ultimately look at the class as a whole, they got high character, high energy guys who want to compete, and they also happened to be athletic and bring some sort of juice to the table. And they know they played a. Role, like so Jordan six or five running the four to three flag, he played a role in Tennessee and the average twenty five yard. To catch, like Jans's the obvious pick. And I'm glad that the Raiders didn't, you know, get in their own way and they just made it after that, it was kind of playing with playing with the house's money. You get back Beck incredible story. Was happy for him, a little bit high, but he's a guy. He's a guy who can get open, he can make contested catches, and as long as his speed translates, I mean he's gonna be a guy that can help the move the chains. And then you add that to Dante Thornton, which is Kenny's been high on all all year, really, and he brings you a kind of speed side element that you can mix in. And I mean you draft a genty, of course you're gonna have to take some offensive lineman. I liked some other guys that were on the board more than Rogers and Grant, but I understand the thinking behind it. And then the corner they got was a guy. Who were in a four to three athletic physical big fits Pete Carroll's kind of traits. All the way around. All in all, though, I'd say it's probably a B plus in my draft, probably the best draft we've had in a really long time. Any thoughts on that, Kenny, Yeah, no complaints given a solid B plus. Your solid B roster's better today than it was before the draft. Talk about what the Seahars did. I think one pick that everyone's kind of been talking about was Jaln Milroe in the third round, some people comparing it to when they took Russell Wilson. I'm not sure why. People his mechanics comparison, because he's fast as hell, strong, he runs like Cam, is fast like Lamar, and has a rocket for an arm. He's just underdeveloped passer. If he can become anything remotely good, it's a great pick plus. Yeah, but he's faster than Wilson and he's probably nowhere near has developed as a staraware, so true, I don't really like their comparison, but. He can grow into something very spectacular. I mean, we love the safety pick in the second round, and he was best. It's what they want to do. You know. Pick Mills is another big body, run stuffer that likes that also fits what they want to do. A couple of tight ends, a teen as a running back out of Miami Royal. Also out of Miami, they picked up a receiver too, Ricky White the third and then yeah, they got a break. They got a lot of seniors, a lot of guys who are captains. Yeah, I'd say it's probably a B B minus draft for me. For the Seahawks, what would you say, I'm gonna be plus hard for. Me to all the areas they were weak at. Yeah, I hear. Yeah, I just don't really expect much from them. So, yeah, it's hard to expect a lot from the rookies if you don't expect a lot from the squad in general. Uneers. The Niners were kind of. A team that had some folks scratching their head during the draft. But what did you think about what the Niners did overall? I just had a lot of holes at the patch. They kind of had to go ed Rusher and the Georgia ed Rusher was one of the best ones available. It would be smart to take him. You kind of have to do it, especially with that rebuilt defense. Crazy how they went from like, what two super Bowls in four years behind a great defense to this they're going on what their third defensive coordinator in three years, four defensive coordinator in four years, something like that. Yep, they've kind of I go through guys, they picked up guys off the scrap. He tried to make redemption products, et cetera. Things have worked out the various degrees. But I think the biggest takeaway for me from this draft is they really just invested in that defense. Again, they invested in all levels of it. Taking Mikhal Williams in the first round and then pairing that with Alfred Collins, guy that you liked a lot. And. Yeah, man, they just continued to build on that throughout the whole draft. A lot of people like the Jordan Watkins pick in the middle of the fourth round. They think he can develop into something single people liked that pick a lot. I saw people who also liked the Jordan James pick out of workin even though they always have hello running backs for no reason. Yeah, what would you give the Niners grade? Yeah? C plus. Yeah, I'd probably say C plus as well. Just because I feel like they probably should have traded at Yuke at. Some point and got another pig. Mm

Kenny and Pete break down the 2025 NFL Draft.

Hey, you out there there. I want some I want some co hosts who actually you can tell that they actually have some type of chemistry going on. Heye, cloud chasing, that's cool. I actually got something in mind for you. So keep lessening. You'll find out. This is touchdowns and tangents your Weekly Spot or NFL thanks, culturally concise tangents and in context for the coaches. What's up? What's up? Good people? Uh? That's weird or is it you? Hear me? H? Your miic is not working? This is a touchdowns to chance everybody. I'm a Kenneth Barry and it's draft night. And even though I called I literally predicted like seventy the first round, Oh my levels messed up. That's what it was. Bad. There you go. But yeah, man, uh, well we're not really live, but we're kind of live. Uh, just fresh off the draft, wrapping up, first rounds over, We got all the reaction, We got some stuff to look forward to tomorrow in the next couple of days. Yeah, overall, Kenny, you can turn. Winner levels down a little bit. You're kind of high. I'm the same as you. I her feedback you talk or were you just sitting back when you said that. Okay, anyways, all right, whatever, Yeah, NFL Draft been interviewing on a lot of these guys. Someone in the first round. Okay, no, I would have asked you. I'm just saying, like, what from the first day of the draft is kind of the stiling. What was the headline? They all come from really good families, no trauma porn here. I was refreshing, Like it's as a journalist, it really is all about the questions you ask. And if all you can say is this person's mom smoked crack and kick like kick drug addition, after twenty years they did Tea Higgins. So dirty, maybe this is the reflection of there being more money and opportunity around these kids, or maybe they're just tired of, you know, perpetuating the same stereotypes, or maybe everyone really just came from a good background this first round draft. Gu I mean, like there are people who came from hard backgrounds, Like there are stories, but it's like you don't focus on like, oh, yeah, their father wasn't there, or they're anti smoked crack and their grandmother had to. Take care of them. Like when you just celebrate the person being drafted and the people who are happy. But honestly, I don't think I've really watched the main draft broadcast like that in a while. I think usually I just react to it on my phone or it's just on in the background when we're recording or at a bar or something. But yeah, I don't know. I kind of don't pay that much attention to it anymore. For me, I think the combine is more that kind of introduction the storylines. I'm just glad it was. Positive this year, and I mean there were a couple of trades. But uh, you know, I think when it comes down to it, I think everybody got what they needed in this first round. This might be one of the few first rounds where there weren't a lot of reaches. Yeah, for me, I think it's all about the trades. I mean, when you talk about the top of the draft, Jacksonville getting up to number two, I mean there's no there's no excuses for Trevor Lawrence. Now now you have to produce. You're on notice. Like we got to another weapon, we traded up to get it. There's excitement around the organization again. Okay, now it's your time to tie everything together. Because you've gotten you've helped us get to the playoffs. You got paid and you got everything around you, so there's no excuse. And then at the back end of the draft too, I mean seeing the Chiefs and Eagles swap places. I mean essentially two of the best teams in the entire league literally just played in the Super Bowl, played in two of the last three Super Bowls, and both got better, and they both were able to get players that easily could have went in the top half of the draft. They got guys where if they would have went, you know, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen twenty, you would have said, oh, that's a good value, you know, And they were able to get them at thirty two. And the fact that they i mean not coerce, but coordinated a swap like that, knowing they're both bitter rivals, knowing they're both going to get exactly who they want. That's crazy to me. But that's why they're the class of the league, because they got the brass and the balls, and they know how to make a move like that, and they're willing to put Eagles and you know, bullshit and old money and fucking pettiness and whatever aside. And it was good for football. It was good for their business. So for me, yeah, man, I think the trades were really interesting. I mean, even the Rams they traded back in the middle of the twenties, the Giants jumped in front of them to get Jackson Dart. So to me, I mean, that's the thing. You know that the Rams had their sights set on Jackson Dart because why else would you trade up and get him, Because none of these other teams after that, we're gonna take him. I think that's why you trade back into the second. Round unless the Rams, unless they knew the Rams were going to trade back to someone else to get Jackson Dart. But either way, Jackson Dart was clearly, as you called it like a year ago, was gonna go in the first round two years ago and the second quarterback, which a lot of people did not expect, which brings us to the next kind of big storyline which which I've been developing. But as Shador Sanders fell out of the first round overall, man, I think it's hard for me to say he's not a first round talent. But I think with this draft class, we talked about it over the coming weeks, but it's like four through you know, fifty, you could have ranked in a thousand different ways, just depending on what kind of scheme you're running, depending on what kind of trades you like, et cetera. So well, it's like, yeah, I feel kind of bad for Shoud because it's like, man, the league really just kind of coerced and turned the turt the tides against him, like they pretty much just gate gate kept him and said, you know, we're not gonna let you into our first round club, like because we don't have to, because your dad is too disrupted. He's always been too disruptive. That's what I feel like happened. But at the same time, it's like, no, I mean, Trador could have easily went in the second round in any other draft. It's just this draft four through forty were so close that you could make the argument for him to be in the top five, top ten, top twenty. And then Will Johnson falling that was a huge surprise. I mean, that was something else you had talked about. But I remember asking you, do you think he followed the second round. You're like, no, there's no way, And here it is, We're going to day two. Will Johnson saill on the board one of the best corners in the last couple of years, has some injury history, but it was deemed next up by Charles Woodson and kind of underwhelmed with some of his physical traits, but overall just real you know, press press corner and you need that in the league. So it's surprising to me that he fell in the second I. Mean, it's crazy that Will Johnson and Milwell were the last two left in the green room. Will Johnson really like milro I mean he kind of did that too. You should have never should don't don't go fly all the way out to Wisconsin and then that's embarrassing, bro. I wouldn't. I would have been at home with my family, Like, who's who was realistically gonna take him in the first round. That's what happens when that's. What happens when you listen to your agent and your dad and your mom and you don't have people around you that can be real with you, like. Hey, dog, you should have went back to college for that last year and become a better passer and then showed up at the combine running a four three forty being able to blew everybody away. But uh yeah, Will Johnson just comes down to his knee injury and then his tape. People are like, oh, yeah, attack all he's kind of stiff, and I'm like, oh, he literally was locking up everybody when he came back to play. He has the most pick six is in Michigan history. That's not accidental. So I think just if his knee's not healthy and he didn't run a forty, he kind of did some light workouts at his position drill when he worked out a couple weeks ago. So my thing is, I just think teams are like, we can get him in the second round since his knees, his knee might be messed up, or his knee is whatever. I think that's kind of where you go to because that's the only real reason why he don't have character issues. You say, oh, he can't tap. I'm like, he played at Michigan. There's plenty of film where he lit people up. You can teach, you know, really sorry. The other thing with that winning, Yeah, But the other thing is when you play on defense like that, like you're only going to get so many opportunities. He was seen as the top five pick, bro. Yeah, you was seen as the top corner, top five taken the consensus top five pick to out of the first round completely. And then Josh Simmons, who tours Pateller Tendon and only played six games this year, was a right tackle on San Diego State from San Diego. By the way, again another Cali first round pick. I just want to point that out. Boy. They keep telling us California is not a factor, but you get all your talent from Cali. Interesting, didn't exave your records like a super. Bowl records and touchdowns in the Super Bowl and appreciate he's from Fresno. But oh yeah, anyway, yeah, milroeuld have stayed at home. I mean, he's gonna have a fall because if Cleveland don't get him, and he's not gonna play in Cleveland's not playing. If if Chador doesn't go to the Raiders or the Browns, that's another steep fall, my friend. And he's like apparently the only person in NFL history to have his jersey retired and then not go in the first round. He got his jersey retired at Colorado on. But you see, that's why it's like it's it's hard to like root against him and it's hard to root for him at the same time, it's li

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But yeah, man, the draft isn't a week from a week from today, Oh week go wait, oh week go away, which is crazy snuck up on us. So many interviews, so much content. I think we're just gonna casually drop interviews like, hey, you know we called this guy. A lot of rumors still circulating, a lot of last minute workout sessions. A lot of chatter about Jackson Darby in the first round, A lot to talk about where gent is gonna go. They didn't a lot to talk about where There's gonna go. They had a last minute workout with the Giant. And people are saying the Saints are wild cardinal for sure door the Raiders are supposed to be a sure thing for gent T, but. I guess the Cowboys are also super interested. So people were saying the Raiders might take Membo, the missoo left tackle, the missoo right tackle yeh six yep, which is kind of crazy. You kind of said he was going to be a fast rising. He ran the fastest forty out all the lineman, like a four eight five or something, and he had great testing, and he has a great. Tape and you can play tackle or guard. And the Saints right tackle just have to retire because the knee problems. So there Carr's alleged or not alleged, but his injury, his shoulder issue where he can miss significant time. It's kind of like, Aspencer Rattler, you don't really need to take a quarterback. It wouldn't make sense to take a quarterback, even if. You're planning on moving on from Derek Carr after this year, because he has forty six million, because you pro rated his contract, so you still need like you need a right tackle. It's kind of almost obvious what the Saints are gonna do. Like I could see them possibly trading up to get Will Campbell, the LSU tackle. You know, maybe move Trevor Pinning to the right side, but Will Kimball. Will Campbell had left tackle. He's from Louisiana. Speaking of which, Rectipece to Kyraen Lacy he's the NFL draft prospect. His lawyer came up pretty much said he's innocent, and there's so much information that I'm privy to, like the media destroyed the kids name and legacy and just flatinantly lied on him. And he said, oh, I'm coming for people. He's like, I got stuff that's coming out here. His attorney was like, he wasn't even the person who calls the accident. So when people say allegedly, it's like he wasn't the one who caused the accident. He fled the scene, but like the cops, I guess, like chased him the day before his hearing, and they his lawyer was like, yeah, there's no factual, formal charges that have even been filed. So everybody's saying he killed a guy. No charges have been filed, so you can't say he killed someone, and people have just been were destroying that kid on social media. He already, like. You know, had questions about his character, people saying, oh the whole gun. I mean, even if he did, it's not like him losing his life makes anything better, provides any sort of justice. It just makes it more tragic and sad. He shot himself. He killed himself because nobody deserves to die that way, and he didn't. He didn't have to, Like he made a rash decision. That's what it's like you would saying, oh, your brain isn't fully developed into your twenty five It really isn't. You look back at like twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven, and you're like, damn, I was kind of fucking stupid. When I was younger. It's kind of sad. I was like really emotionally erratic or like he realized, Oh, I'm glad, I'm better than who I used to be. But it's is so fortunate. You know, they killed. Kyra relates, she kills himself. He ran a four or five l stu's pro day, great time for him. Some people almost had him as the first round tick, first round pick. Potentially he's gonna go high. You know, he transferred from Louisiana, got to play at LSU, you live out his dream shat behind a bunch of first round picks, and you know, it's just unfortunate that he chose to take his own life. So yeah, it's just kind of like. There's been a lot of there's way more dramatic stuff happening around this draft than last year. For sure. I think there's gonna be a lot of trade movement, which I mean, we'll talk a little bit about more later. But one other things that came out this past week is there's gonna be players making the second Brown selections. So real quick. The list as is, Patrick Peterson, Keith Brooking, Jason Brown, Lee Evans, Chubber, Hubbard, There's White, Tim Cremery, Joe Thomas, Travis, Frederick, Bonnie Ball, Terry and Arnold, Mason, Crosby, Amon Green, James Jones, Jerry Kramer, Clayton Matthews, Jordie Nilson, Dave Robinson, Owen Daniels, Jonathan Taylor, Aric Armstead, t J. Slaughter, Dante Hall, Steve Westnowsky, Melvin Gordon, Michael Brockers, Alec Ingle, Stu Voyd, James White, Ryan Ramsack, Jason Seahorn, John Abraham Big, John Abraham o Allen, Lynn Swan, Julian Peterson, Sewn, Alexander, Richard Sherman, Simeon Rice, Keith Bullock, and Gary Clark. So in that group, I think about twelve of them are Wisconsin alumni, just because obviously the drafts in Green Bay, they want to make sure Wisconsin's well represented. I think there's like seven or eight Green Bay packers on this list, which obviously they're going to lead the pack as far as that, and I think. There's like three or four Hall of Famers on here. And there's one more fun fact about this group, Oh, a bunch of them are from the two thousand drive class. Since this is twenty five years since then. That class. That's why you see guys like trying to Alexander on the list. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see some some familiar guys from our golden era watching foot, watching football, and really playing man. The crazy part is there really are a lot of dudes who aren't here anymore. Yep. I still have the Drew Brees Madden cover and a couple of other older ones, and it's like some. Of the people in this game are no longer here. Some of the people in this game sons our first round picks Patrick Sartain Jr. Crazy word, absolutely crazy. I thought you had I thought you're gonna say something, so I kind of paused. That's it. Yeah, slip to Kyrie Jackson too. By the way, it's been almost a year since he died. Yeah, I got drafted. Uh by the Vikings, it was him and his friend were killed at the car accident because some drunk bitch wasn't paying attention. That's a lot. Yeah, she she should get suited into another lifetime. Crashes all her fault us You want to talk about for the draft before we move on? Uh, Yeah, I mean there's mostly. There's mostly just a lot of talk about like the value of quarterbacks in this draft, because like Jalen Milwirl was one of the seventeen people who got invited to the Combine, I mean, not the combine, got invited to the draft, and it's like most people who get invited to the draft, you're going first round. That's why they're inviting you. So if it turns to a situation where he doesn't, I just feel really bad for him because I remember what Lamar went through, or what a handful of other guys went through. DK. I think DK showed up in the draft, he had to wait till the next day. Like that's embarrassing, especially if every if everybody like prognosticated you to go first round. That's why a lot of prospects are like, man, I'm an throw a draft party with my family as Ash was there. Yeah, I don't. I don't blame folks blayme folks for wanting to avoid that whole, entire awkward situation. I mean, there's not a whole lot to gain from it when you really think about it. I mean, unless that's really the physical moment you've envisioned your head. It's like, what's really the benefit of being there. You know, you're just for going having that moment at home with the people that matter most to have it, you know, really to really be a fish in a bowl you think about it and just sit there and watch and have people watch you sweat it out as you kind of determine where your life's gonna begin. So I think it's a lot of unnecessary pressure, which I mean, if you're not a lock, why would you put yourself in that situation? To me, yeah, man, this trucks. Like I said, I think there's gonna be a lot of movement. I think it's gonna be really interesting, especially after those first. Four to five picks. Coach football, you go to UCLA. Yeah, I guess you got the money you wanted. I mean, remember he signed a three year, eight million dollar deal out of high school to go to Tennessee and he was trying to get money and reports you're saying his dad was trying to get more money going into the playoffs. Like this kid lends you to a playoff, you need to pay him more money. And Josh Iippel stuffed to his guns, as you should have because you should. Stand on Well, I was listening to some people saying, and they were saying, you know, you gotta remember, like he signed this deal out of high school and basically it kind of set the standard for a lot of people, and so everyone just kind of leap frogged him because he really set the standard. But that's not the university's fault, and that was a university standpoint is you know, hey, we made this

Kenny and Pete break down the latest NFL Draft rumors and CFB news.
Are you tired of the same old sports media? Are you tired of hot takes, arguments and questions that are just completely off base? Luckily we have something for you, touchdowns and tangents. Tell the people, for the people, by people who care about the culture. You got all concise commentary. M's no good people, touchdowns and tangents here, fresh off of bye week, Hanthorne, California. I'm Pd Camrio and he. Is fresh off the gym, Kennis Berry? What oh fresh off the gym? Okay out the gym. I should have said, yeah the jay I am. My body hurts Jim's Burgers, I am. But yeah, man, you is fat. What do you mean? I have a nine year olds right now. You're a big bag. No, you're a big bad. But no matter how much way do you lose, you got. A big face. I go in there like, oh, your face. Is bigger than your hand. Beat that's crazy. Act know your head is bigger than your face. No, your face is bigger than Yeah, that's crazy because I got a large ass head. I have a large ass head, and I just accepted it. You got a large ass nick, which is funny because people say I have no people who years in high school, said I had no neck, but you got the back of your neck. That's crazy. You got the triple stack. Back, you got that triple stack. Remember that one day I came home drunk randomly with a Carls triple decker. That's what the back of your head looked like, that triple. That was a triple. I told you it was a triple. Wasn't a triple? I thought that was STRAMI no, that she was a triple. That ship was fired. That was a bacon. It was a Western bacon, triple Western bacon. That was worth eight dollars. It was should waiting for that breakfast bread eight dollars. Whoa crazy, sir. That was a freaking nigga trying to charge me for a bogo. That's what. Yeah, kind of damn, that's crazy because I didn't give you that norm petty ass nigga. It was fine when it was fine. Whens were good, but that bredo was kind of mad. I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, it was kind of man like. It wasn't Piggy's best. You gotta you're gonna get a breakfast breed though I didn't like the sausages. I can't go piggies no more. You gotta don't like the sausage. I didn't like that you got a sausage breedo. I thought you were getting bacon. I usually get bacon, but I was what the fun was up at your decision. I didn't know what you wanted, so I just got my default is because you had to have both, because they both had to be the same to get the bogo. I hate when fucking Uber East as that ship. That's when we got all this AI and you're telling me I can't do bogo with the one bird, one bacon, and one regular. That's crazy because you can get a double cheeseburger someplace and then a bacon double a bacon cheeseburger at that same spot for a bogot. You crazy. I never seen that. It's always like I'm deeply in. It always makes you add to the same to get the bogo on my ship. Excuse you don't know the right round? Maybe because I don't have Uber one. Yeah I used to have uber we Actually, my boss was paying for my Uber one for like six months and nobody knew about it. I think my job was gonna give us like Uber one once the season starts back up. But yeah, anyways, Uh, how was your week outside of that past couple of weeks? Tell the people, Uh, it's. Been good, all right? Laugh so quietly. I don't like you. I don't like it you're laughing. Hey, fuck you bro't laugh at me. Don't laugh at the inside joke. I'm not gonna talk about. On the air, scumbag this god man well played off a little bit better than I said. I'm fine. I said, I'm okay. Jesus, nothing hurts anymore. I feel kind of free. Anyways, all right, you could have just been like, yeah, I'm feeling great. I just went to the gym. I asked ja high school teammates at the gym. I head a media coach you on the airs of what we're doing. First off, this is not the origin episodes of touchdowns the change. Don't talk to me like that. What do you mean? It's crazy? Don't tell me you have to fucking manage me on the air. Well, that's what I'm saying. You don't know how to talk through a tough question. I do is talk through tough questions, Pete know. That's why I was laughing, like, yeah, I'm fine, I'm fine. Now, I'm really fine. You're an asshole, though, but uh yeah, my sister's sisters just doing good. Mom's doing all right, and tell you things you just don't want to know, and then they won't stop because they know what foks with you, And I hate that. Yeah, I kind of stray. Yeah, I was like, why are you laughing like that bitch? There was that other comment that she made up. I can't hear that ship. I can't hear it either. Yeah, and imagine thirty imagine thirty three years of that. It's like, my mom. Goes too far and then winks at me and then goes further and I'm like, oh. Right, But yeah, she's a tarist, what can I say? And she's from a she's from a time that doesn't exist anymore, one of the last of the real ones. But uh yeah, I mean watching wrestling this week was interesting. For the most part. Man, it's been decompressing and just applying to jobs NonStop, of course, because you know, all right out here for like all millennials, like this is the first generation that's literally doing exponentially worse than their parents, but working way harder than their parents. It's kind of like I don't know. Ever since the tear thing, people have just been really oh, oh my god, like these are the worst of times. And I'm like, dog, this is like my fifth natural disaster, my seventh recession, my third depression, my. Fifth quarter life. Whatever's less than a quarter that crisis, Like we just have a crisis every three months, like we're on the semester system when it comes to crisis. As like millennials, especially thirty. Year old, yeah, is crazy because prices are going up everything, only because this forty seven was saying like, oh, it's not a it's not a negotiation tech. Did you just say forty seven tactics? And then as soon as people start negotiating, he rolls it back. The whole time he's said, oh, yeah, we're not gonna We're not gonna back down. We're not gonna back down. And as soon as that stock market in the bond market started falling, he was like, yeah, I was just playing. I was on Twitter. Somebody was like except. For you, China, fuck you, Mexico, you're cool. Canada you're cool. Uh you're cool, You're cool. You kinda fuck you, you're cool, You're cool. Fuck you too, shout out the kid Cuddy. Yeah. Man, So hopefully if your portfolio was fucked up this week, hopefully it's a little bit better the past couple of days. I should have never sold my fucking stock. I mean I needed it. Yeah. The fucked up part is because all these people sold and then all that happened was when it went back up, they just they just sold it and then bought it when it was low, and then when it went back up, they just made money off of it. But that's kind of how meme stocks work. And that's pretty much what he did with the whole countmy, which is crazy. The whole country's a meme stock now. But yeah, other than that, man, I mean, I've been following the NBA playoffs pretty closely. The West Race has been crazy NBA. My point, there was like six or seven teams tied for two through seven right now pretty much the Lakers lucked in the three seed, and then right now I think the Clippers and Nuggets are tied for the fourth, and then I think the Grizzlies and Timberwolves are tied for six and seven. War years are like in a some shit like that. Him and im Udoka went at it did you see that they were popping ship and then they're like, what do you say? He's like, uh, he talked like he wanted it, and then he backed off, And I'm like, damn, bro, you got here catching straight. You used to be a head coach of the Boston Celtics before they you know, went to the finals, didn't win, and now you're coaching the Rockets. Getting Yeah, but ydoga actually just rings from where and you play in San Antonio. I mean, yeah, it's a player Taltimore as a coach. He should have had a ring in Boston. But he's glad he fucked that bag. I mean more like, if he was white, I don't think he would have got fired. But that's a whole other story. And you did that racist as Boston, Like you really fucked some white dude's wife in the Boston Celtics organization and. You thought it was gonna turn out. Okay, you had me alongs at home crazy anyway, But. Yeah, man, outside of that, been busy with these nine year olds shout out out see Trojans. But man, it's just been a grind, Like the weeks are just flying by, even though I'm only practicing with them, helping them practice two days a week. It's just times just fly by, and it's great to see them kind of grow and improve, But I think slipping into the future at the same time, you want them to be able to win and get be now. So it's all about finding that balance of keeping things in perspective, like, yeah, we're trying to run the race today, but we're really trying to win them mile later. So no, the marathon continues. I just gotta tell him that, like you think this is a race, it's not, though just a marathon. He's taking one thing at a time. Speaking of back to the football world, I mean I think everything right now is full of NFL draft smoke screen rumor season just following the Raiders, I mean I got accused of like sexual assault, he claims, with falls he turned himself in. That's what I say. Do you want to talk about that or you want to talk about in college football? No, it's kind of just the one off. Okay, so you couldn't have used that one off in college. Well, that's gonna hurt his draft stock. That's gonna hurt his draft stock. Okay, that's why I brought it up. Got it? This is like the part. Where it's gonna fall out of the first round. He was never gonna be a first round pick. Once he ran a four four one, it's like, Okay, we can get you in the third round, buddy. He ain't gonna If he falls past the fourth round, I'd be shocked. He actually can run roundes and catch and a

Kenny and Pete break down the latest free agency moves, NFL Network, the t-step and more.
Hm, Hey, you out there there, want some, want some? You can tell that they actually have some. Hey, cloud chasing, that's actually got something in mind for you, So keep rusting you'll find out. Now this is a Touchdowns and Tangents is your weekly spot. Or the NFL coaching week in sight and in context for the go to what's up, good people? Touchdowns and Tangents. You're Thursday night spot for NFL takes topical Tangents coming to you on a special Sunday night Monday. Uh from Hawthorne, California, I m P D Camrio and he is Kenneth Barry. Yeah. So a bit of a slow news week this week, especially compared to the last few weeks. But still a few updates that we're going to get through and break down for you over the. Course of the show. But otherwise, uh, I was weak any uh pretty solid. Actually, I made a made a last second decision. Actually that it wasn't really the last seconds. I know I was gonna do it for about two months, but I went down to Oakland and surprised my whole family for my grandma's eighty fifth birthday. Shout out to Grandma, shout out up Birthday Grandma. Hip shout out to my mama Mary and to her birthday was like two weeks ago. I took a greathound out there like Tuesday night, got there Wednesday morning, told my mom like, hey, I ordered something of my Famazon and the guys downstairs he needs you to let him in so Grandma can sign for the package. I get there, susan excuse me. She just starts crying beest. I'm like, oh shit, don't have a heart attack and die. Because last year I I surprised my grandma on her birthday or on the eighty fourth birthday, and me and my mom and my sister were in on it, and like she clutched her chest when she saw me and started crying. I was like, fuck, I can't. I can't surprise pop up on the family no more they can. I got like a WrestleMania level pop in the living room. That shit was kind of funny. My nephew, I say, it just runs up, jumps on me, Court Chelsea runs out the room with her with Nico, and like Nico, he's just turned four months so he can turn his neck now. He has actually surprisingly really good control of his neck and he can like turn over on the sides. So as Chelsea's running with the baby in her arms, he's looking at her like, slow down, bitch. It was the funniest thing. But yeah, it was good to good to see everybody. I only was. I was out there one day. I got there like seven after at eight in the morning, and I left at like eleven twenty that night and got back to Cali at like eight in the morning. Then I had to go run a bunch of errands and work, and yeah, mom, my boss of who's been at the NFL Network for like fifteen years, he's, uh, he's leaving. He got a job at the Atlanta Braves. He's moving back to Georgia. Family got a house out there. He's like, I never would have got a house out here, and we're like, yeah, you're right. So it was good to kind of just pull up on him yesterday before I went to work, say my goodbyes because I'm probably not gonna see him this week. He gave me my first shot. He's the one who hired me an NFL Network three years ago. He's like, man, salute to you. I love all the work you do. Shouted out the pod too. It was dope. It's been a very like emotionally fulfilling week for me. So yeah, that's what's up. That's dope for me. I just got back from a Vegas a few days ago, which was cool, just to get out the city for a little bit fuck around. I went to the Clipper game Hell Kitty Night with my girl, which was cool. She bought me there James Harden jersey, so that was dope. And uh yeah, man, I had my first five month five tournament today which was cool. My eight year olds went to and oh so that was that was cool. I didn't really have high expectations, but my guys are gamers. Apparently they hit the switch, so I was great. I mean even my little seven year olds, who I've only been working with for like a week or so, they really got out there and. Competed the end of the day, Like the end of the day. Things like this, they're just like tests that just kind of you know, mark where you're at at that moment in time, you know. So it's not. It's not the end all be all, obviously, you know, we're trying to get to fall, trying to win and tackle. But for now it's a nice little confidence booster to know we're on the right track. So I was happy about that. Otherwise, man, yeah, I guess do you want to talk about as far as college football. So salute. Salute to Fran Brown, Syracuse head coach. He talked about how program that's mandatory for all Syracuse players, that it's like the Syracuse sixty like sixty days after they graduate or whatever, these guys get jobs, they get placed somewhere, which is really dope as a coach, as a college coach, you know, cats go play football at Syracuse and they're guaranteed the job somewhere. Like that's a great recruiting sales pitch. And that's what I would want a coach to do for my kid, if I'm going to play football for you for four years or five years, or six years or seven years. Because LSU running back John Emery, who tours ACL against USC last year, he's trying to get a seventh year of eligibility. But Brian Kelly's like, we're good at running back, but we'll support now wherever it goes. So hopefully he can find somewhere we can play, you know, for seventh year. Kind of crazy, Like I remember when this dude came out of college and he was one of the top running backs in the country, five star prospects. He's just had so many injuries. It's kind of sad. Hopefully he gets to play somewhere. It's just not gonna be at LSU. Also, everybody's just Chris Winky these days. Shit, it's not even bro Chris Wink. At least went to play baseball. These cats are in college seven eight, nine years. I need to go back to college. Shit. I know I got my degree, but I'm pretty I got I played at a juwe I was at a Juco for three years, so I'm pretty sure I'm old smeligibility. Back in CEA Sports announced that the payments for players in the game is gonna go from six hundred fifteen hundred dollars. Not only that. Adds it's quite lovely. I'll take that. From teen hundred, that's a stadium check right there. Not only that, hopefully we get all the players in there next year. Yeah, I mean I'd opted for fifteen hundred kawhi. Yeah. So let's the other news. USC Michigan had their pro day. Johnson Ron I think allegedly he ran a slow time a lot of them guys didn't run forties. A lot of people say he's falling down boards. Yeah, I think he allegedly didn't run a fast forty allegedly, But I'm like, okay, he can play safety. He's a functionally great corner. Wouldn't be surprised if we ended up on the raiders. I'm just being honest. But uh, I mean you think he falls another first. No, he's not falling out the first. That's that's too crazy. I see a Michigan corner like, that's not. Nah. But uh, let's see Cooper Lovelace, no Colon Love, I forget his first name. But the tight end for Michigan, Mason Graham, Kenneth Grant, A lot of these, A lot of these guys from Michigan. They mostly just did position testing. Yeah, a lot of cats just who are already locked in the first round picks. It's like, why run a forty and remove all doubt? I guess that's one of those type things. Also, Alabama's Pro day, Jalen mill Road. They said initially he ran a four three seven. Officially he was clocked like a four to four with a one four ten yard one four four ten yard split, which is insanely fast. I didn't have to do the Braxton Milly. They're they're saying he's gotta They're saying he has the first round. Gread now what they're saying he's ability. It looked like he had never thrown the rock before. They say, well he got his hands were regard bigger at the combine. Not even I'm not even talking about that hands. I'm talking about just the way he was throwing the ball. He did not have a good week, bro Yeah. Well, they're saying that, uh, he's he could go as early as twenty one. They're saying he has with Anthony richards I'm saying he's having an Anthony Richardson. No fucking way, Broe run. Those are the same people that say said that Hayten Noogart was going to go in the first round a few years ago. Richardson went fifth overall, didn't he? Yeah, but I don't know, it's different. Richardson looks like he's a quarterback, even if he didn't do it at Florida. He looked like a quarterback in workouts. Melroe looks like an athlete who can throw. They loved his Pro day workout crazy. They left his workout. A couple other guys ran pretty much. All those SEC dudes you'd be chatting with the water cooler. That is the saying he's got a first round grade Renos SEC blogs. You know it's true, dude, that's why you laughing. There's a consensus. There's definitely a Bamba bias. So he's definitely already seen as like he could go to the Steelers because really he just needs a good quarterback coach. He can be good. He's a dynamic athlete. And I think if he commits, but he ain't starting his rookie year, tell you that. Much for sure. Not no way, there's no way he starts his rookie year. Yeah, I just don't see it. And then also Deonne Sanders and Fran Brown, we're talking about having the first ever joint spring spring game Syracuse, Colorado. They're working on they're working on that. That's taking the next steps. I think that's a good move. I think that's a good future way to do with these spring games. I mean, we've been talking about how they're kind of relevant or at least, you know, less important to these schools. So I think that's a good way to go about it. Well, the the petition to allow it, it's it hasn't been denied, so it would actually be on April nineteenth. That's the crazy part. Because Colorado spring game is scheduled for April nineteenth. They're gonna meet on April tenth to see if the waiver should be allowed. And it's like it'd be the first one. It would be the first thing of its kind, and the first two people to do it are two black coaches, So

Kenny and Pete break down the latest free agency news and preview the rest of the offseason.
Aren't y'all tired? No chemistry which was just ride. We actually that this is the Touchdowntown. Your week we Spot our NFL takes the topic of tan engines and context for the coach coaching so. Because you never know, but either way Away had. The touchdowns down. What's up? Good people? Touchdowns and tangents here Hawthorne, California. Your Thursday Night Spot for NFL takes topical tangents for the culture. Ir n P d cam Rio. I'm Kimmith Barry. And it's a big week this week, lots of news. NFL free agency got started. Sleep I'm surprised that the amount of money certain team spent, but really I'm just happy the Raiders haven't like jumped the shark, Like that's that's such news that the Raiders didn't overspend in free agency. Like, I'm it's actually kind of reassuring. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I think it's good that they didn't just throw money away. But also, I mean, I would have liked to see them sign one or two marquee guys, but I guess Gino qualifies as one that was a great trend. Presumably if they, you know, trade for Tyreek Hill or signed Cooper Cup. I mean that's two. I guess there's still some linement out there they could get. But all in all, I thought it. Was interesting the Raiders basically let like four key rotation, no starters go, and they pretty much replaced them with guys who are very similar but probably better athletes. So I think that was kind of interesting for me. Yeah, Like, I mean, Master kind of caught me off guard, but not off guard at the same time, like it made sense. But I was just like, really, I. Mean, it's kind of like Madison, He's just good enough to get you there. The offense isn't gonna be. There's so many good running backs in this class, though, so I'm not really worried about it. I don't expect him to start. I think you do need at least one veteran in the group, and it might as well be mostered or not you know who shall not be named. And we're white. No Brandon Balden. Jeez, he's not on the roster anymore. He's not in the league anymore. Yeah, yeah, man, But overall, I mean I'd give the Raiders public a B minus. Yeah, here's why. They got a quarterback and now the six overall pick for them is one of the most valuable picks in the draft for sure, because what if you're the Rams and you're like, we'll get your door and sit them. I just don't like the fact that they paid double digits for Adam Butler and Malcolm Coons. Those were bad signings to me. I wouldn't say they're bad signings just because that's kind of where the market was a lot of guys at that cover were. Kind of getting, you know, double digits like that. Jonathan Allen was available for the Vikings. I mean, I don't I didn't expect Nate Hobbs to get twelve million for four years. That was crazy. I mean I expected Mowering to cash out, so that wasn't that surprising. You know, I expected Spillane to cash out, so that wasn't surprising. But you got a guy like Nick Hobbs was finished on r R the last three years, making you know, twelve million over four years like that. To me, it's just signaled that, Okay, the market, the money's out there, whether you've been hurt or not. And so then I think that at least rationalized it in my head for Coons and then seeing what Poon before got, seeing what Jared Reed got. Made it made you smile when you saw get the deal. But seeing the seeing where that that nose tackle d tackle market is, you know, it made sense. Butler got what he got. I mean he's improved the last two years. You know, he's Christian Wilkins guy. They've played together for I think they play together in Miami too for a little bit, so you know, you keep the core group together. I get basically what I'm saying is I get the numbers. I just don't like them. Is he gonna start Butler? Yes, I mean he started the last two years. I'm starter, not because either or Wilson is starting and already Why would you ever got twelve million? Who was hurt when your seventh overall pick? Who, by the way, when ahead of like three all pro players? Well, first off, like you gotta his figure options coming up. First off, I'm not really worried about that. I would be at the end of the day, whatever you get out of him is a bonus. I think they've built the team around not needing him and being able to move on without him if he doesn't produce this year A lot like you know, Cleveland. Farrell also also with Rahem Green is not better than him. Racheinon Green is equally a bust. He's not a bus though. He's equally a bus. He hasn't been in the league in a year. Bro excepted. No, he was like he wasn't on Houston. Actually, had it was out the league. It might have been hurt through. I mean, he's been hurt most most of his time in the NFL. But what I'm saying is what I'm saying is I mean, I'm fine with signing with Green, don't take anything away from it. But I'm not going to sit here and pretend like he's an outgrade over Tyree Wilson. They're probably, if anything, who probably the same. I don't know. I haven't seen Rasheina Green in two years basically. I mean I think he's more of a tackle. But yeah, back to your question, is I don't see why he can't start. I mean, in theory, Coots came in the league as a linebacker, so you can play him as a hybrid LEO type if you wanted to. Wilkins and Tyree and and Butler are all scheme versatile. They can also play fives or threes or ones. I just think you're stuck now with a guy who's a fringe starter. Who's that Butler? I mean most they can play some inside you. You look at the money, like the money Coats just doesn't make sense. I think it's only what two years Butler's contract, so you can get out of it next year. It's not that big to do. It's like three for eleven and a half? Is it pre sure? It's three for eleven and a half. Yeah, I thought it was too guaranteed, but it might be three. Well yeah, I mean either way. Kons's contract was more than Butler's. Kon's is only one year though. Twelve million though, yeah, So but if Coons doesn't work out, you cut him in season, You cut him out there whenever you walk away, not to waste the twelve. Million you could have. You could have just let him walk and signed probably three other veterans. Who were you gonna sign for twelve million? You saw what Chaso got. Chas Song got six million off seven games. Nobody wants Isaiah Simmons, bro Like, literally nobody wants Isaiah except for you, Like you're literally the only one who wants it. If you were a GM of an NFL Euro team, you would have him on your squad starting out linebacker, cuz, yeah, covering occasionally blitz. He only played like thirty percent of snaps and with the Giants last year. He has been good. Bro. Since Patrick Grhant left, I think you really got to get off that train exactly. And Patrick grahamers like. You know how you had that that real top with me, and you're like, yeah, you gotta get off that Saquon hate train like two years ago. This is that moment for you. You got to walk off the the Isaiah Simmons glazing It's time. That's crazy. It's time calling it glazing crazy, It's time. He's still Actually. He might be a bigger bust than Aaron Curry that he might be a bigger bust in LeVar Arrington. He might be a bigger He might be a bigger LaVar wasn't a bust. He got injured and Washington was terrible, like the front like he talks about, like the horrible stuff that was happening in that franchise. I mean yeah, but he was still a top five pick and only lasted in the league like five years. He had an eleven tax season and nine taxi and then. He fell off a cliff and he wasn't even a passpresher like that. He was supposed to be a strong side line but he was really supposed to be a mic. They just had a bunch of other linebackers, so they played him at outside line back and. He was that nice Jelly wasn't. Lavarrige is one of my favorite players of all time, but he fell off cliff. Well, yeah, he's like one of the first players I remember seeing, like literally. Fall off a cliff. In terms of productions used to be studied because Goblin turned down like twenty millions from the Patriots to go back to Tampa Bay. And I'm like, Penn State guys interesting him. Saquan good boy, Ala Robinson. All right, you want to talk about the Rams what they did signed Davante Adams. I think we talked about that last week. But what did it happen last week? Yeah? I think it did happen. A lot's happened in the last week. Did it happen last week? It might have happened on Friday it was announced, might have happened on Friday. It might have happened after the show either way, DeVante Adams is a Ram. I think that's a great signing for them, especially because Rams fans now I have to admit that DeVonta Adams was always better Cooper Cup and pook Cool And yeah, he pretty much punched Pooka for his number, so that was crazy. Buddy went back to twelve. Yeah, so what else did the Rams do? I can't even tell you. They did lose some key guys, but. That kind of stands out the most is that the Davante signing is still better than Cooper Cup's contract. That's why they were able to cut him. Yeah, who else? They lost a Hoick? He got a you got a good sized contract with the Bills. I think of what else they did? They resigned Jimmy g is it backup? That was interest. So we're really breaking it down like the Rams. They can just obviously waits on the draft and they're chilling. They cashed out point A FOURD we talked about a little bit earlier. They lost Bobby Brown, another starting defensive lineman. He got a bag bro De Marcus Robinson went to the Niners despite a potential future career for them future suspension, and then they lost a few other defensive linemen. But outside of that, I mean, I think this year for them was really just throughout kind of getting their cap situation straight and figuring out what they're gonna put around Stafford. For one more run. But they still got to figure out paying Kyron and I think Pooka too. I