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  • TDT Post 2025 NFL Combine
    Kenny and Pete break down the latest from the 2025 NFL Combine and preview the upcoming NFL Free Agency
    Hey, you out there there, want you can tell that they have sometime? Hey, cloud chasing, that's cool. Cool, I actually got something to mind, So keep rusting. You'll find down out. This is a Touchdowns and Tangentines your week week spot or NFL Coach. And Context for the what's up good people? Touchdowns and tangents here, fresh off a week off your Thursday Night spot for NFL takes topical tangents. We got a lot to get to tonight, everything from the NFL Combine breakdown to previewing free agency. But yeah, man, football season really only takes a month off and we're kind of right back into the swings with the draft and off season. But in case you didn't know, I'm Pd Camrio. And he is Kenneth Barry Freshly thirty three. Damn, that's right. We haven't had a podcast since your birthday. But yeah, man, it's been a hell of a couple of weeks. Lots of peaks and valleys. But yeah, I don't know you want to say anything about your birthday before we jump into the combine. Oh it was great a true. For people who are Christian, you know, thirty three is like a super serious number because it has to do with Christ and all that. And also like my older sister was like, damn, you were older is Jesus? When he died, I was like, that's not funny. And of course we laughed hysterically because it's like when we were kids. It's like, Hey, when you're thirty three, I'm going to be this, and when I'm thirty whatever, you're going to be that. And now we're all here and I'm just like flies, thankful to be here. Though. Yeah, man, so NFL, come on your initial thoughts takeaways. Ironically, I think none of the corners ran below four to six this year. What Nope, just a couple of safeties, but like none of them. All the corners ran like sob four four four three ran a four to two. This is incredibly fast skilled group. The receivers, Matthew Golden, I don't think anybody saw him running the four two nine. You might be a top ten pick now some running backs. All the running backs ran great forties, Donovan Edwards being one. Raheem Sanders said he I figured hed run four four What do you mean there's a bunch of corners that ran and so forth? For no, I'm saying none of them ran a four to six. Oh like no corner at the I don't know they A lot of them ran sub four fours, sub four threes, sub four fives. Very fast athletic group this year. Yeah, I think that's kind of the case collectively. I mean, you have offensive linemen running four nine s five one. You had d lineman running fastest ship too, four four sevens four five six. I mean if you look at the edge, there's only one player ran over four eight. That's pretty crazy. Yep. And yeah, people really sleep on how athletic off of the linemen are. Like the North Dakota State off the tackle had a thirty six and a half vertical. They're receivers and dbs who don't have that. I mean, like even of that. I got thirty didn't have vertical means you can dunk on an NBA court. I don't think people understand that concept. Three hundred pounds men running five one forties with elite vertical leaping ability and quick twitch, Like, I don't think people realize how athletic these offensive linemen. Are at every level. Look what I mean, Middle State. Dude, even like the d tackles, I mean like four eights. The slowest time is really like a five too. Yeah, the Guard's only two people that were in Lott Short ran slower than the five too. Yeah, that's the slowest tackle man, like a five to four. And a lot of guys Florida Center, oh, a lot of Carolina Center. Oh yeah. And then a lot of guys just didn't run you and Travis Hunter wasn't going to perform. People kind of crap it on your door, Sanders. Which. Draft time exposes a lot of race, like draft. Tar Cooking, Tyler Show both and four. Six, Seth Hanan for seven six all three. I didn't even think he was that fast, But that's cool. Brady Cook's a good development for I feel like all three of those guys are good development, great money, like six seventh round picks that you know might be able to develop into something. And then you also, who was the second guy on Shall Yeah, yeah, he might earn his way as like a backup. They say the Raiders fucking love him. Han Seth Hannigan too, all time quarterback and touchdown thrower in mephis history, only QB who actually stayed all four years. Really in like the past seven years, he's like the only one. Everybody else transferred or came from those school. It was kind of crazy, yeah, I mean overall. I mean, I think you were talking to me about it during the week, but I mean the running back class is pretty crazy itself. I mean, just look at all. The guys who ran four fours check run back running four three two. There's at least ten guys who. Ran four fours. Fifteen that ran four fours. It's probably one of the deepest running back classes ever. Two from Virginia Tech. He looked really good at all Senior bo week. He was really physical. I didn't expect him to run a four three two though, Like, that's pretty good for him. Strot Smith four three nine, it's a good time for him. R J. Harvey for four that's a great time for him as well. Two hundred pounds former quarterback five nine. And he's fucking solid, like rock solid. He's not a dude. Do you want to run into junkins running four to four eight? Henderson ran a four four three, don if it ever running four four five saying four four four, oh damn, which is crazy because he's already like a game speed guy. But he got speed speed. Yeah, home run Threat speed Marshall Lenz speed. Etn with the four to four to two, I guess, I. Mean, he can't beat his brother at a forty, but he's still really fast and the receivers. DeAndre Thornton ran a four to three flat at six four two hundred and five pounds, Yes, and he led the country to twenty five yards to catch twenty five point four. So it's like, yeah, check that box off. Golden could have had a better combine. Isaiah Bond said he was gonna break the record and only ran a four to four to one, But it's like a four to four one is like elite speed. Like if you run a four to four, you're already in the top five percent of fastest people on earth, So none of the lab it's nothing to sneeze at. But it's just like, I mean, maybe he needed to say that, so he for solidified running a four to four, which is nothing wrong with that, Like, I mean, him and Jayde Blue said they were gonna run four was Jayson Blue ran a four three eight. Texas running back John A. Barron ran a four three nine. He's probably gonna be a top ten pick at corner for sure. He didn't give up any touchdowns this year he had. He gave up like thirty seven receptions for two hundred and eighty four yards. That's insane. One of the greatest seasons ever for a Texas dB. So there you go. Shout out to uh Kyle Williams La Area grab for four. Jayden Higgins was a guy people really liked at the Senior Bowl. He put in a four four to seven, came midrano at a four four to six A linebacker Johnie Campbell, the Alabama linebacker ran a four to five to two. He can go anywhere from top ten to top fifteen. Terrence Fergus him put in the four sixty three. His gauntlet drill was fucking cheeks, though I don't know what happened there. But he's also kind of a clutch gamer kind of guy. Did you talk about seventy year ran four nine five Who Arizona tackle? Oh yeah, Junior in the four nine and five, which was actually kind of surprising because he's big as fuck. He's a I mean, honestly, the bazoom tackle in a four nine one. Yes, he got compared to like Jason Peters. He measured in a legit six four like three thirty, so he might not have to bump down the guard. He might just beat the number one right tackle, Kevin Banks turning five one. Honestly, some people say Kevin. Banks put in the five flat basically, Yeah, Kile Rodgers the five women who also played guarden tackle, He's really a guard, but he played right tackle this year. Chafers for I see Jalo Smith ran. A four four five? Uh what he marks? I think ranted in the four fives four six from Schamar Stewart's too great time. Yeah, four five nine, Yeah, I gotta give him his four or five nine respect. Yeah, and dressers don't like when you round up. Nobody likes her forty time round up. That's one of the one things you never round out round up on someone. Kyle Knard four seven three. I'm amad hasseini those Florida seven seven that's a good time for him. Yeah, Like three Florida receivers ran excellent times. Wid receiver ran like a four three four Another round like a four four six, So Florida sure had a lot of speed. It's kind of crazy. Hat pearce all last year and then these two guys this year just burners. Damn, I was not expecting Madrona though four four six. I told him, you did tell me he didn't look that fast though, A right man. Honestly, Jeffrey BOSSI look faster than that. When are you that fast? You look at for this fast dudes who are know they're fast. I can get there. I can make up the extra half a second where it's like Bossert or four six three, So he has to be instinctive. And go now. But he looks faster than that, just not so that might actually hurt him. Tess Johnson around four or five one might that's probably gonna hurt him too. We have big hands, but he also weighed one fifty four, so it's like, get some of the best. He has a pretty good terms, but also some of the worst for a dude who's only one hundred and fifty four pounds. Who else Jayalen Smith put up at four four or five? Yeah, set that play corner safety slot cool can really do everything. Sorry, nice woo. I know you've been talking about it all week, but every time I see that those two safety times, I'm just like, damn. The starks out of Georgia. For single and M and worry the South Carolina and Safety and Kansas State Safety. Yeah one around a four three five and the jack compared for. Three seven and four three eight are the official times. Yeah, and he was
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  • TDT Post Super Bowl
    Quick bits on the Super Bowl and Pending Offseason.

    Hey, you want some coary here, want some co hosts who actually are and you can tell that they actually have some type of chemistry going on. Heye, cloud chasing. That's cool. I actually got something in mind for you. So keep listening. You'll find out. This is a Touchdowns and Tangents. Is your weekly spot or NFL takes culturally concise and in context for the culture. What's up, good people, It's your Thursday night spot for NFL takes topical tangents and concise commentary for the culture. It's Pete d. Camrio on the Mic with Kenneth Frank James. Can't multitask Barry, I definitely can. That's crazy. All right, well make your selection. Uh. For those of you who don't know. What season, especially fucking over not attendant talk about this week. I mean, we'll get more into the draft than the combine over the next few weeks, but really we just have to talk about that abomination that was the Super Bowl. I mean, soch far them talk at least around our house has been the extracurricular activities, the big games, the food, all that stuff, and of course Kendrick Lamar's half team performance has been analyzed by every single person on social media, because really the game was shit. I mean the Chiefs didn't score until like the fourth quarter, when they were already down three scores. They had a white corner and do a pick six People out here saying Travis Kelsey's cooked. Yeah, what happened with Trump and President Trump? President and getting cheers while Taylor Swift was getting boozed. So yeah, what a time Kenny thought some role. Personally, I'm just uh glad that they let the dudes play, and like Howard Roseman is a Hall of Fame GM, and I just think what Kevin Moore being the head coach of the Saints, It's gonna be very interesting how Philly rebuilds that uh that roster. Who they decide to let go. Yeah, they have a lot of decisions. To me, who retires, who gets traded. On sweat? Are all free agents? Grahams free agent? A. J. Brown's tripping again, so what it's time to be alive? But shout out to Jalen hurts Man. Yeah, it just keeps proving people wrong. It's a Super Bowl winning quarterback, MVP guy actually help me him up early. So yeah, anything else you want to talk about as far as the super Bowl, people really don't understand. It's kind of crazy. People really just don't understand, uh how some of this is supposed to play out when. It comes to. The fan favorite super Bowl. Everybody's mad about ticket prices. You chose to go, chose to go and spend your money, so you can't really be complaining. I mean that's a big deal. Like you get what you pay for. Stop complaining about shit. Like if you had fun at the super Bowl, you had fun, But like just know the price is only going to get higher, so you know, people gotta come to stop proplanting about stuff like that. I think one of the crazy stories that kind of came out that people were talking about, what's the whole voodoo stuff that someone was doing on the side of the field, like its Louisiana. Yeah. The other crazy part is I think this said Vegas made like twenty two million on the game because the chief sauce. So yeah, I mean I don't remember any of. The super commercials to be honest with you, but I was also kind of drunk. So that US skinhat commercial was creepy skin had commercial. Yeah, I didn't like that at all. I know that one kind of kind of ill, kind of why are we doing these guys? Interesting? You don't want to see Beta Villa and Miles Garrett on the same d Lin, Damn Jonathan Allen and Vide you're at the same age. All right, Well, Kenny and I are doing a fantasy draft. As I mentioned earlier, I'm the Raiders and uh, he is the I mean I'm the Chiefs, He's the Raiders. You're the Chargers, bro, I'm the Raiders. You already we have to redo this hard way. Why you got like four picks? I didn't. You definitely did. I did, not having much better team than you. Whatever. Oh, it just keeps why I somehow switched our teams completely. I don't know why you took Joe Thuney in the fifth round and Lane Johnson Erroll and hello. You king. I know what I'm doing. Damn. I might take Derrick Henry and just stack him just to be the ayeshole. You have to start him. If you haven't, just gets. Zach Martin and create an OPO line. I should where you got Mike Evans a receiver in a corner, though it's hard to cart why. Much like quarterbacks all they're all gone already. Literally every capable corner is gone. Damn it. Someone took fucking Michael Pennix. Yeah they did, those fuckers. You're waiting for him too. Yep. That's why I don't like this ship, because like they take quarterbacks way too high in the draft. Yeah, some kill on the board, but all the quarterbacks are going. That doesn't make any sense. Jacob's still on the board. It's like born Bro fucking still up front. Gonna be shitty in the backfield. But anything else that we should talk about this week as far as trending news topics. Not about college football, it's. Been pretty quiet pretty much, just Pro Days and the Combine coming up. Working had a record twelve dudes get invited to the to the Carbine. Combine is in what two weeks? Three February twenty seventh, damn, what's coming first two weeks? It's coming fast. I don't know. We'll see what happens. The Raiders finalized their coaching staff. That was kind of a big thing in the Raider Nation world. I think, overall, man, what's a chance you're already him? You wanted to switch, You're already him? Anyways, thank you always knew I was him. I just wanted somebody to get from it. Yeah. So the Raiders finalized their coaching staff. There were a couple holdovers, a couple of people that they brought back. The dB coach, quarterback coach. Both had previously stints with the Silver and Black Pete Carroll Rod his sons in. There's a couple of guys with some ties on how State. I think the D line coach or linebackers coach is tied to the Commanders. Joe Philvin's on the squad. So overall, just a well rounded coaching staff, a lot of different backgrounds, a lot of different schemes. I feel like the way this is, I mean, based off of what we've seen the Buccaneers do in the past, couple of iterations, based off of what we've seen Seattle do with Russell Wilson and Juno Smith. I think the Raiders are really going. To build around a veteran quarterback and then probably draft someone in the second to middle rounds and see if they can develop him. But I think it's gonna come down to Justin Fields. I think he makes a lot of sense with all state connections and Chip Kelly. Outside of that, I mean Aaron Rodgers. I mean, as much as people want to say he's a distraction, I think he had a pretty good gear considering what he bounced back from. And then after that, I mean you got Jamis, which I mean he has ties to the assistant GM. And then you got Russell Wilson, which has ties to Pete Carroll Gino Smith, which I'm not I don't really want, but I mean he'd be better than Gardner Missieu. So I don't know. Outside of that, man, I think the big the big stuff going on with the Rams kind of been uh just Cooper cup watch. I mean, people still just he sent out a whole message basically saying goodbye to the team, doesn't expect to be there. The president, Kevin demof went on the radio and was like, you know, like off the brakes. We haven't made any decisions yet. Season just ended. See what happens. But you know, he told us his position, we told him ours, so just kind of have to leave it at that for now. But you never know what will happen. So that's that. And then the Chargers, I mean they have a ton of free agents. They got to figure out poon forwarding a couple of their receivers. I think one of their linemen are all kind of headed towards free agency, so uh, they're gonna have to figure that out. And I mean the Niners also have a ton of free agents, their safety green Law. They just cut the defensive tackle Dee Will Samuel's demanded the trade, so there's gonna be a lot of movement this offseason. I think, what do you think, Kenny. A lot of guys are gonna have to sign if they're a team guys or if they want to get paid. And I think the Chiefs are definitely gonna lose some guys. I don't see how trade Smith doesn't get enough money to argue to play tackle because he can play tackle. He's six ' six. But we'll see. It was very. Interesting, and as I alluded to earlier, I mean, the Jet said they're going to move on from Aaron Rodgers. Basically, they kind of put their line in the sand and said, hey, if you don't stop going on Pat McAfee, if you don't go to all camp, you can't be here. Rogers said he can't do that. Everyone's just been talking about if he's going to retire or not, because it's been a real slow news week. Honestly, I don't think he's decided yet. I don't think he will. I think he played too well to be out there. But I also think that if he really doesn't have the competitive spirit, he's not gonna do it. But honestly, I think he does want to win a few more games, so I expect him to be back where he will sign. I don't know, might be a situation to where you know, it might not come until the middle of the season, when there's. Kind of a. When there's kind of a desperation play, someone gets hurt, et cetera. Yeah, we'll see what happens. Otherwise, outside of that, franchise tag deadline coming up soon, right, do you know the day for that, Gunny? Did that? Trade deadlines? No tax tags? Oh, franchise tags, Yeah, transition. I feel like there's just way less fan fait, Like there's. No what I'm asking If you know what the date is, That's how I'm asking. Oh, uh No, I don't know the top of my head. But it's definitely like in the next month Aaron Rodgers. Definitely, the places he could go would be crazy. Did you take the last pick I took Derrick Henry. Jeez, he's a ninety ninety. He was so still available all this time. Wow, crazy work. I don't really know where to go. Kind of filled out my team's identity, but I st
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  • TDT Super Bowl and All-Star Special 2025
    Kenny and Pete share their best interviews from the Shrine Game and Senior Bowl. They also breakdown the upcoming Super Bowl. Check it out here or on touchdownsandtangents.com.

    Aren't y'all tired of these cloud chasing and no chemistry having. Over the hill? Hey, good radio podcasts who just ride no culture, legal tice commentary. We actually got something. This is Touchdowns and Tangents, your weekly spot for NFL takes topical tangents and context for the culture. So tune in, tune. In because you never know if you're gonna get it. Take a tangent, but either way, had the touchdowns? What's up? Good People Live from Hawthorne, California's Touchdowns and Tangents, your Thursday night spot for NFL takes topical tangents and concise commentary for the culture. I mp D Camill. Kenner Berry. Yeah, man, sorry, we were here last week. We were both traveling for a Shrine game slash Senior Bull. But we heard this week. Got a lot of show, got all of our coverage from those two weeks as well as obviously super Bowl coming up. Hall of Fame dropped, so lots of good stuff. You wanted to start with the super Bowl or the Hall of Fame? Can he. Let's start with the super Bowl and just get it out the way. So we got an Eagles Chiefs rematched the Chiefs are once again going for their three p. Shit. I don't know what else to say. The Eagles. I think they only have like two people remaining from that defense from two years ago, so relatively different teams, I think even the Chiefs. I mean they got a whole new receiver room. Their running back room is a little bit shifted now. Defense they've had some turnover and change. Obviously the core guys are still there, so yeah, I don't know what do you think, Anny, I just think the. Eagles passing their secondary, it's superior to the Chiefs. I would say the Chiefs linebackers might have a slight edge, but you got those two massive d tackles. I don't see how the Eagles don't turn this game very one dimensional, especially for the Chiefs. Like I don't see the Chiefs popping off five yards to carry against his Eagles. You know, four man in front, Zach Bonza was arguably the best linebacker of football this year. You got safeties who can come and cover tight ends. So for me, I just think it comes down to Saquon because the Chiefs can have a bad day, it's possible, but the Eagles are really firing on all sails right now. It's Cooper De John's birthday and Saquan's birthday. You know, stay the Super Bowl, no Eagles playing for any awards. I think the biggest question mark with Philadelphia is just Jalen Hurts health. I mean, he got banged up a little bit in the divisional round, but I mean there's been no obvious limitations on him. I mean and just looking at him, he hasn't been moving the same, but he's still out there moving. So I think it's more of like. It's kind of like Pat Mahomes's ankle a couple of years ago, pretty much like you know it's there, but it's not really there sort of thing. And I hope with the tush push thing, Saquan actually gets the ball and score some touchdowns because I don't want to see somebody on the Chiefs running over the top of the offensive line like Troy Polamolu or Franky every time out just to prevent a score. That's just not good football at all. Yeah. I think the biggest, uh, you know, X factor is really as you mentioned, Saquon, Like you know, he's not only just dangerous running the ball, but he could be a danger catching the ball out of the bad field. You know, if I'm Philadelphia, I'm giving him the ball early and often as possible, just trying to stay ahead of the chains, trying to keep Kansas City off the field. And then at that point then you can stretch it out to you know, AJ Brown or Davonte Smith. It's called dart, that. Was called dark. But I think everything's just got to kind of start off with Saquan just kind of try to wear down that defense and then hit him with a couple of strikes over the top. And I mean, I do think Jalen's probably gonna need to not make any mistakes. I mean, for the most part, he hasn't over the past two years. But you know he can't let and we know he won't because he's been in this situation and he's played a lot of you know, big games even through college, so we know, you know, the moment's not going to get too big for him. But you know this can't be the exception either, Like he has to keep that same poise that we know him for, because yeah, there could be a situation where he could suck it up, and I don't want to see that happen. I just hope the Reps don't take the game away like they did the last time these two teams played, because that holy called on Bradberry's bogus. It was truly bogus, especially on Juju, like come on, like, what are we saying? Let the players lose the game on the field, not because of a whistle at the worst possible time. And troy Aku even said he said, eventually, you're gonna have a problem because if more and more, if you have all these networks and gambling sites involved, and then somehow this one team constantly keeps getting bailed out, people are gonna question the genuacy of the sport for sure. What I was gonna say, Okay. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I don't think anyone really wants to see the Chiefs one a third one, but except Chiefs fans may be inevitable. Sadly, the Patriots three peat wasn't this disgusting and insufferable. It was just Tom Brady kept finding a way to be people and then they kick a game winning the field goal at the end, and he had a Hall of Fame defense most of his career. But you know, it's a whole nother story. Hall of Fame. Yeah, you see that that lead in beautiful Speaking of which of Hall of Fame, and you know, former Raiders quarterback Eric Allen is officially a Hall of Famer. He has like over fifty two career interceptions balled after the Jets, the Eagles, the Raiders, a couple other people. Then you factor in Antonio Gates arguably statistically the greatest title of all time for not counting Super Bowls, which is actually a team sport. But for some reason we'd like to keep people out of the Hall of Fame because they didn't win the Super Bowl, which is weird to me. But there's some like special teamer with like five championship rings who's never gonna make the Hall of Fame. Like there's some dude out here Robert Orring and we just act like. We act like that dude doesn't matter because he has eight rings, but because you don't have one, it's a problem. Whatever. Tonio Gates my tight end one all time. Personally, I'm starting from scratch and I'm starting winning. Tollio Gates had everything, speed, Julie size, ball skills, and he could block. He was a much better blocker than Tony Gonzalez and Travis Kelsey combined. He had to block for LT and Loweren, trust me, he had to block. It's just why would you waste all your time with the dude like that blocking. We should be getting him eighty to ninety catches a year, which at one point I think he led the league of touchdown catches either sixteen or thirteen. Like, he has the most touchdown catches in yards I think all time of any player who wasn't drafted, especially anybody who wasn't drafted the touchdown record for sure. I think has like one hundred and sixteen receiving touchdowns or one hundred and seventeen for his career. Truly one of the greatest tight ends and chargers of all time. About Rushmore, yeah, definitely spend a lot on my childhood yea on at the TV because of Antonio Gates, But props to him, as you mentioned, really redefined the position, and honestly it was an underrated blocker man. I don't think he gets enough credit for that. It was a better blocker than people give him credit for it. That's why he was able to stay on the field so much, and it's really what made him versatile being able to do both wasn't just hey, now we know it's a pass play because he's motioned out, Like, No, they'd motion meal to do picks and shipped too, and screen action sweeps all that. So yeah, man, good for Antonio Gates. Jared Allen got in. I think he should have been in too. I think both of those very long time ago. Actually, I think all three of those dudes could have easily been in for a while now. And lastly, Sterling Sharp, former Packers wide receiver had retired to the spinal senosis. Back injury. Steve Smith, Tory holt uh Luke, a couple other people did not get in. I just don't understand how they only picked four people. Are you not picking leaks seven or eight? Yeah, I don't know why they spend so much time gatekeeping the All of Fame, Like. There's a lot of great players you haven't put in yet, and the point is to put them in before they die. Imagine if we never imagine if you have to wait this whole life to get put in the Hall of Fame. I just don't really see a benefit towards making people wait if you know they're being anyways, Like sound like you can't vote for one or the other. Like you know what I'm saying, like. Kickley should have been a first ballot, but I understand why if Patrick Willis was at first ballot. Either. I'm just saying, like the first bout, second bout, third bout, like that shit really matters. That you got in. But that's what I'm saying is like, I don't know why people put such. A the meaning the lady did that if Michael doesn't go in as a first battle of Hall of Famer, like, well, then your Hall of Fame is not legitimate. Pete Rose Barry Bonnch. The asshole who uh didn't vote Eachie Ro so he could be unanimous. The media did this. The media made this about them. That's why dudes who don't get in on the first try, then you're like, oh, well, his chances are significantly going down. How because you're not voting in the people. That's why there's a long Jamin receiver. That's why there's kind of a law jam at running back. Because you got Corey Dillon and Marshawn Lynch, you would say, yeah, those are two of the greatest running backs of all time. And if their running backs with better numbers than Terrell Davis. Why the fuck can't they get in Clinton portis bor
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  • January 24th, 2025 TDT Conference Championship Week
    - LetsTalkAboutIt
    - Cowboys hire Brian Schottenheimer as head coach
    - Jaguars hire Liam Coen as head coach
    - Pete Carroll hired as Raiders head coach
    - Ben Johnson hired as Lions head coach
    - Aaron Glenn hired as Jets head coach
    - #CollegeFootballNews
    - Ohio State wins National Championship 34-23 over Notre Dame
    - USC hires Notre Dames’ GM for same position
    - #TakeOrTangent
    - Liam Coen alleged to have lied to the Bucs to receive a new contract only to collude with Jaguars as they interviewed Patrick Graham to satisfy Rooney rule.
    - Raiders hire Bucs Assistant GM to main GM role
    - Colts hire Former Bengals DC to same position
    - Texans fire OC Bobby Slowik after 2 seasons
    - #TouchdownOrTurnover
    - Mark Andrews refuses to talk to media after game-losing drop in divisional round to Bills
    - 2027 College Football National Championship to be held in Las Vegas
    - Saleh returns to 49ers as DC
    - Texans part ways with team president Greg Grissom
    - #FadeOrFair
    - Marcellus Wiley vs Ryan Clark. Wiley calls him a race baiter
    - Don Julio and Popeyes dropping a sponsorship on January 31st
    - Texans fire OC Bobby Slowik after 2 seasons
    - Jury acquits Patriots safety Jabril Peppers in his assault and battery trial.
    - What's up, good people. Touchdowns and Tangents here, TD is underscore tangents on Twitter and Instagram, Touchdowns and Tangents dot Com. Sorry, I'm once again without our regular drops. I swear I'm gonna get them next week. I just gotta, like b Dangle, putting my house back together post Christmas and find where the flask striver is. But yeah, once I do that, have everything back to normal. Anyways, we're once again not live because Speaker hates us. But whatever, we're day late. But there hasn't really been any football this week, so it's not like you missed much. And considering there were two major coaching hires today, we actually pretty much waited for the perfect time. As always, I'm joined by everyone's favorite NFL ticket operator, the quietest loud guy, uh, your draft analysis, your draft analysts, favorite draft analyst, UH, the man with no shortage of names. Kenny Saint James Barry. But not all y'all can call me Kenned. There's nothing, there's nothing Kenny likes more than an impromptu extended intro for no reason. Yeah, I don't know if you feel good. I appreciate that, but yeah, not all y'all can call me. I'm gonna assume you're a first name, and you've never goned me by my first name. That's crazy, that's disrespectful almost, Isn't that funny how that flipped? Weird? Kids? Everybody like you got called a nickname. You're like, I don't like that, and then you realize I actually liked that nickname. And now it's like everybody gets called everything but their name. Yeah, pretty much identify as everything but Kenned. I'm just kidding. I wouldn't want to be anybody for me, but be me that she will be lame. All right, Well, rest in peace, good rest in peace to a legend. Those are those of you, those of you who remember, if you do remember that two step infamous DJ. I don't know why the hell I'm figuring his name right now, isn't it dj unk or dj unk? Yes? DJ rest in peace? He was forty three, he passed, he died today, infamous and that was a local song, Like he had two local songs that went global and he's gone now twenty twenty five is not playing. They're not really caring what happens. People are just going. But yeah, that song is like the soundtrack to my my young adult adolescent life. Had to walk it out of my room earlier too. It was. It's kind of sad, but yeah, recipees to a legend from Atlanta, A real one we don't talk enough about. They talk about the one hit Wonders, But like Bro, they kept the streets hot, they kept the club like, they kept people in the clubs. Like for all the shit that gen zers give millennials, you sure do love our music. You sure to get turned up to our music. You sure to make bad life choices and give us bastard siblings to that same music that you swear that. Uh you're like, this is terrible, but you danced to it. You shook ass to it. You gave us stepsisters and step brothers to that same music. Yes, I'm looking at you, the entire Confessions album. But anyway, Yeah, just have to say that rest in peace. We lost a couple of people this year, all right. Moving on to the coaching hires, A bunch that happened already. Uh, the latest one just dropped a couple hours ago. The Cowboys hire their offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer as head coach. Six. I really have no idea where this came from I don't understand how you fire Mike McCarthy, a super Bowl winning coach, only to hire one of his minions, an offensive coordinator who have been fired kind of disastrously at his last two places with the Jets and the Seahawks. So yeah, I don't really know what the Cowboys are doing. Hope Jerry Jones is not losing his mind, it doesn't have dementia and doesn't end up getting the Wendy Williams slash say treatment. That you're gonna get us thrown into a black site. But yeah, I'm going to Texas tomorrow. I need you to not like just say that, but yeah, thoughts on the shot and hummer hi, I mean, good for him? What are you gonna do? Say? No, it's not like he was ever gonna get another job anywhere else. Like literally, this is like unless he's another Jason Witton, I mean Jason, Uh, We'll still Jason. Why I'm not winning Garrett? Jason Garrett feels like another Jason Garrett situation where really he's just a head coach and title and that's it because it's still Jerry show. I don't know who is defensive coordinator is gonna be. But you gotta you got a team that's built pretty good. They got guiding in the first round. They've rebuilt that offensive line. You don't even talk about Tyrone Smith anymore. Like across the board. They've rebuilt that offensive line. They've rebuilt the defensive line. They just have to pay Micah. Their corners have to get healthy, you know, Darran Bland, Trayvon Diggs. They might sign more in the offseason, TCU safety. You know. I just think Jerry doesn't want to blow this up. I mean, look how old he is, Like you signed Dak, You're in this till the wheels fall off. So I would say, yes, this is a weird hire. I mean, but also you want to you don't want a big name. You just want a guy who's gonna get the job done. I wonder what he said in the meeting of what he would do different than McCarthy. To really kind of swade Jones. He probably was told him. Like like, he probably told him he's gonna just listen to him more. Honestly. He made Rico a star player this year. I mean, but the running back death was the steps back. The running back room looked like trash going into the season, the Henrico became a star player for the Cowboys offense so much so they cut Zeke so that yeah, yeah, but I'm saying, like the all the OC kept that offense going with Cooper Rush and Dack out, So it's like, hey, I'm the one thing holding I'm the one thing holding the offense together. I guess let me have the full reigns. We can be more aggressive. We can do things to actually help this defense. You know, they Cowboys don't need a quarterback. They could just take genty or they could just take you know, Eye Blue Carder. They could literally just load. They could strengthen their defense and then just build the rest of the team through the draft. And I think you probably if you're a guy like that like Shottenheimer, like, look, who my dad is. I made a name for myself outside of my father. The league kind of owed the shot and Hunter family. Let's be real, I mean been around the league for a while. Yeah on that, But I'm just saying, like, your dad got fired after going fourteen and two and never coached again, and then he eventually passed, he eventually died. The league owed the Shottenheiner family was old one, same way. Shanahan finally got it right, Like I'm not gonna hate because you know, the man elevated. Good for him. There were much better candidates. But Jerry wants what Jerry wants, and whatever vision he pitched. I think that's what Schottenheimer did. So good for him for keeping the OC job and getting the head coaching job. I would have I mean, I would have went with more personally. I mean, but you he's he's in Philly. Why would you go back? Why would you leave as the O C. You didn't they didn't. Want, they didn't want you to be a head coach the first time? Why would you. I'm not gonna live. I'm not gonna put myself in a position where you can reject me twice and then I lose out on potentially a Super Bowl opportunity with the Eagles because the Saints job is still available now. Yeah, Saints job was the last one left last time I checked. Yeah, so. All right, you know Jaguars hired uh Tampa Bay Buccaneers or see Liam. The Jaguars had interviewed a number of candidates. The Jaguars had interviewed a number of candidates, including Robert Saler and Patrick Graham. They ultimately went with Cohen. I think they were to say something about, we're. Gonna talk about the details of how he got hired, Y, let's talk about it. Feel like we should wait to talk about the details. Let's just judge it on its merit, all right. So keep in mind, Baker Mayfield is out on his eighth offensive coordinator in eight years, Lian Cohen, Liam Cohen. That's why the Raiders would have been perfect. Baker would have been a perfect Raider. They could have signed him, they could have revamped his team. He's not a free agent. He just signed. But when he was a free agent, they could have paid him when he had like no value, and they gave Minshew thirty million dollars, which I will never forgive. Yeah, So when it comes down to it, you know, Liam Cohen was off the coordinator for the Buccaneers. He made that offense go. Baker Mayfield said, franchise records and touchdown passes. I think he like was near up to the league. He was like leading the league in picks with
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  • TDT Divisional Week 2025
    Kenny and Pete break down the divisional round and CFB National Title. Catch it here and on touchdownsandtangents.com.

    Yeah, once again, I ain't got the sounds, but I will get the sounds next week, I promise. My house is just messed up. But yeah, let's touchdowns and Tangents live from Hopthorne, California. There's just something so intimate that comes from, you know, just having these original sounds that we had when we originally started. But as always, I'm joined by. Kenneth Barry and uh yeah, man, we're just here so we won't get fined. But no, and all serious, all seriousness, Divisional round coming up. I was talking to Kenny earlier. It feels weird to not have any games going on in the middle of the week. No college football playoff, no bowl games, no fcs, no Friday night lights, no playoffs. Nothing, just we're just pretty much waiting for these last few games to go down in the divisional round and then obviously the College Football Playoff, which we'll get to a little bit later. But with all that, what will what will you remember from this past World Card Week weekend? Kenny? M hm uh, Mostly that the Vikings really are like Sam Donald. Sam Donald had all that cachet and just blew it. Yeah, Sam Donald, who I thought he was? He really fumbled the bag he shipped down his leg. I mean, you'll still get a good deal. He'll still get a'll still get, but he's not gonna get the he could have. Got, probably for the multi year crazy deal before. He probably could have got forty million. Probably still throw throw ten twenty million at him or he probably he killing with Gardner Mischian guy. He threw thirty five touchdowns, bro, I know he looked. That's like the most for a dude who just was ass He's interceptions ratio was amazing, like he literally Well, the whole thing is, think about it this way. That defensive line the first time they played was like pretty much a rookie young defensive line. By the time they played in the playoffs, they're no longer a rookie. They played a full season. You know, at that point, you're sophomore. It's a whole new new game. So they really made the difference, obviously, Jerry versus guy you you've been advocating for since the Rams took him, a guy you were advocating for before the combine. Even so, Yeah, I mean the Rams just shown ability to build it. I mean, I think we talked about it earlier in the season. They pretty much just took the values of Aaron Donald and just like scaled it to different young players, spread it across defensive line. It's crazy, and it's like the Raiders could have had two cornerstone pieces on defense and an extra draft picky. Well, for me, what I'll remember obviously is just man that the end of the Empire really showed out man c J. Stroud. Everyone was talking smack about him all year and rightfully so. I mean he was underperformer, especially if you had him in fantasy, but he him and the Texans really showed out. You know. The Chargers did what they always do. They came out lackluster. And I told you that from the get go. I told you that as it was going on, like Chargers are going to lose this game. The Chargers could have easily been up twenty one to nothing, like they got a lot of things going their way, but they just kept getting in their own way and not capitalizing. And I was just like, I've seen this before, but this team starts out slow like that, They're not going to be able to beat Houston on the road. I don't care how good of a coach Tarbon is. Sure enough, you know, Herbert had probably one of the worst games of his career, and now Khalil Max is talking about retiring, which which is pretty crazy to think about that old but he's don't make any birthday but it makes sense for him, I mean, no, he can think he could still ring Chase with the Chiefs Chickens. Ring Chase, go to Baltimore, Ring Chase, go to Baltimore. Please Kylevin always having had a career year twelve and a half sacks. But yeah, back to my original point, I mean, Stril showed out they get the advance over a Charger team that was favored even though they were on the road. And then on the other side he got. Ricky Jade and Daniels, the guy you've been calling offensive rookie of the Year since like week two or three, so cold is to use that, But he also showed out Commanders advance and really, statistically, rookies don't really win playoff games like that. So the fact that he did that on the Commanders, which a year ago was by far the worst roster I mean, or one of the worst rosters maybe besides the Panthers, and you took that team to the playoffs like that's borderline MVP, not just Rookie of the Year, like if they actually voted for MVP, like especially if he somehow wins this game, which honestly is kind of like it's possible because now, mind you the Lions, I mean, they had a week off, they've had some injuries, but if they come out flat that young that commander team is both young and hungry and also experienced, so anything could happen in that game. But back to my original point, how you showed up Jane Daniels out of Sa Maurino c J Stroud at a ranchall Kokamonga. It's really validating the nine on nine nine one. I know they got a bunch of other random ARA codes out there now, but that's essentially the foundation of it. But anyways, moving on to. The divisional round, we got the Rams Eagles. I guess we can just start there since we already talked a lot about it. But for me, Kenny never rushes me, why are you rushing me right now? What do you? What do you rushing me do? I was in a groove and like you were kind of I wanted you to pick up the energy a little bit. Okay, what do you, what do you need me to do? Act like you care, Act like you act like you want to. Act like Aaron Barry after the after the game, when he wouldn't stop talking about when's the Raiders game? Pete Kenny? When's the Raiders game? Peter Kenny? All right, obviously everyone thinks the Eagles are gonna win this game. How are the Rams gonna win it? Honestly, they have a smarter coach, their defense is playing lights out. They just have to really just stop Satuan. It's gonna be hard because the Eagles offensive line is the reason why they beat the ship out of the Rams the first time. Jaalen Hurts is faster than any linebacker. Inside linebacker. They have an A. J. Brown can toast any dB on that field, as well as DeVonta Smith Dallas Go Dart. The problem, like the variety of the Eagles offense and their offensive line and their defense being the best in the league, is like they're the most complete team left. You know, just Sirianni and Hurts gotta be in sync, and you gotta feed Taekwana ball. But the Rams really just have to come out aggressive, have a smart game plan, short quick passes, you can't. You're not gonna be able to throw deep on his defense, You're gonna have to take advantage of Philly's uber athletic front seven established a run early, don't get caught in a lot of third and lungs. Be in a position to where you can always go for it fourth and four, fourth and five. For me, it comes down to and Cooper, Cup and Pooka gotta show up. Cooper, Cup and Pooka definitely have to show up. For me, it comes down to the Rams. The Rams linebackers. Like you mentioned Sekwan Barkley, He's a beast. We all know that not only can he run you over, but he can also take it to the sins and so they not only need to be able to match his speed, but they also need to be able to tackle him, and that could be an issue, especially with Godart going over the middle as you mentioned. So for me, I'm looking at the linebackers and safeties like they gotta have an exceptional game this next week. In addition to that, I mean you talked about it the interior line, they're gonna have the biggest challenge as well. I mean, the. Rams are capable of running the ball that's when they've been the best is when they're controlling it with Kiren and they're hitting big chunk plays off the play action to Puka and Cooper Cup and company. If they can do that, they got a chance. It's gonna be cold. So I think that'll move in Philly's favor. I think overall, we think of Philia is a much more physical team. But the way the Rams played this past week, and I mean, I don't I don't think they're afraid of anyone. I think they are playing like they have nothing to lose, and I think in some ways that's really kind of ignited some extra fire back in McVeigh and Stafford. But yeah, I think this is still phil These game to lose, no matter how you break it down. All Right, the other game commander's lines. Gotta be honest. If the doll if the if the Lions and Golf come out slow at all in the first half, their commanders will jump on them. Their defense will jump on them. Imagine Jonathan Allen's just imagine the dudes in that defense have been there for so long. You gotta buy the plane one of them is on. I know that, I think, And yeah, the fact that they've just been through so much, like they got veterans at every level enough to make plays. You really just have to contain aman Rah and Gibbs, which is a lot. There's a lot of moving parts in that offense. But Jared Goff is thrown to have a Sam Donald Sam Donald kind of game. Some of it some of it is dumb luck like, so it'll be a tip pass and it's two picks right there. They're both playing. Okay, so they're both playing. They're long one of the longest team in the veterans on that team, they they've never been closer to a Super Bowl. And right now I think the Commanders are playing with house money. And Jane Daniels is a dog. He don't like losing. Neither. Is this scary Terry Brian Robertson's good enough, Eckler's good enough. They just have to keep moving the chains. The Lions can't really afford any more any more injuries at all, like they could be getting gashed. They've been gashed by lesser teams like look, so you know, if I think the only way the Commanders gets something going early is if they can, you know, take advantage of Kirby Joseph's aggressive. It's gonna be hard. Tha
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  • TDT Wild Card Weekend 2024
    Kenny and Pete break down the NFL Playoff matchups, the CFB Championship, LA Fires and more.

    What's up, good people. I promise I'll get our sounds back next week. But Touchdowns and Tangents not live anymore. But here from Hawthorne, California, Thursday, nice spot for NFL takes Topical Tangents pushed today's episode to Friday due to the College Football Playoff today, but Kenny was supposed to be there, but unfortunately city's kind of burning, And yeah, the whole Midwest is under snow, so I'm blaming. The city of I'm just blaming Houston and Dallas Airports for not properly holding people's flights together and then giving people joint getting people flights out of connective flights and then canceling their connective flights and leaving them stranded in multiple cities. So yeah, and it wasn't really worth seven hundred dollars to be stranded in Houston in a storm, three hours away from where I needed to be, and then if I got there, I'd still be like four hours late and missed like the game. But yeah, so we y'all want to talk about as far as the College Football Playoff National Championship game is now determined, gonna be nore Dame in Ohio, State. They also got Wildcar Weekend going down this weekend, the Rams had to move there Monday night matchup with the Vikings to Phoenix. Glendale technically, but yeah, there's on. The Cardinal Stadium, which is ironically State Farm Arena, which is pretty evil if you think about it, because State Farm disavowed a lot of people's fire insurance and then the whole city burned down, or at least the outer limits of the city burnt down. And now there are people who literally put their whole lives into a house and the only thing they were looking forward to was a Rams game at so Far instead, So now you got to sell those tickets to hopefully get some money to probably get a generator. So you know, you and your family are somewhere to lay or be. And it's at State Farm Arena, and ironically the Rams they could very well beat the Vikings ironically. So yeah, it's interesting, very interesting times. Yeah. So outside of that, I mean, just to wrap up the NFL season, I mean, we talked about it last week with the Seahawks missed the playoffs with ten wins, even beating the Rams in the final game meaningless game. The Bengals needed the Chiefs to beat the Broncos to have a chance to get in. And well, the Chiefs got molliwop because they basically rested most of their starters. And yeah, the Bengals didn't get in and they felt talty about it, but that's the way goes. What else happened last week? The All Pro team came out. Yeah, Leanna Williams didn't make the All Pro Team or the Pro Bowl. Well do you have like what eight dexame sacks or something? Yeah, and he had like two defensive touchdowns. I mean, don't go to read off the list. I mean you can if you want. People could just look it up. Rock Powers made All Pro as a rookie. I mean he broke dead cuz eighty year record and the catch record. Finally, I'm in Ron Sak Brown's gets stepped that All Pro Jamar Chase, justin Jefferson, I'm in Ron Saint Brown. It's kind of hard to disagree with that. We also got. Tristan Wurbs, We got Lamar Saquan Patrick recrd Joe Thuney for the Chiefs, Creed Humphrey, Quinn Minnards for the Denver Broncos. Penaisawell got First team All Pro over Lane Johnson. Ed rushers were Miles Garrett, Cam Hayward got it at d tackle Chris Jones. Those two got it over the Williams. Miles Garrett Trey Hendrickson were the two ed rushers. A linebackers Zach Bond, Fred Warner, Rokwan Smith corners, Patrick Satan the second, Derek Stingley Junior. Finally, they have a slot position. They have a slot quarterback position, which confused the hell out of me because usually it's just three or four corners, but Marlon Humphrey was the slot corner. First team All Pro, Kirby Joseph Xavier McKinney. They were the top interception getters at safety, Kirby Joseph being the first because he had nine. Chris Boswell for the Steelers, All Pro kicker, Jack Punter for the Lions, Cavante Turpin Dallas. That dude's a magician with the football in his hands. Returning. MARKT. Madhams Junior was the pump returner. Brandon Brendan's schooler was an All Pro special teamer for New England. And Andrew Depaola is a long snapper. Second team offense, we got Josh Allen, Derrick, Henry Cole, Juice Chick, George Kittle, Ty McClaren, Ceedee, lamb aj Brown, Jordan Mylotta at left tackle, Quentin Nelson mister Notre Dame, Frank Ragnall for Detroit. If you didn't know, Quentin Nelson plays for the Colts. Chris Lindstrom for Atlanta at right guard. Lane Johnson got second team All Pro right tackle second team. Ironically, there's an asterix. I think it's a tie. I guess, I don't know. That's weird. T J Watt, Nick Benito. T J. Watt out of. Pittsburgh, Nick Benito for diver. He had a career year, Raiders passed on him. Andrew Rankinkle had another crew year in Minnesota. Material alignment. So Zach Allen for the. Denver Broncos was the second team All Pro. That's very interesting, so I guess that answer. Jerymner Williams question. Bobby Wagner. And Zaire Franklin where the second team All Pro linebackers, Which is wild because Bobby Wagner is an All Pro in like year fifteen. Yeah, crazy, especially because the last three years he had a ways just kind of bounced around. Yeah, but he was still productive. That's the crazy thing. All right. So here's what might pish you off for trigger you. So second team corner All Pro, Trip McDuffie, Kansas City Chiefs. Yes, the Raiders passed on him. Christian Gonzales, New England Patriots, second team All Pro. The guy who went. He fell to seventeenth overall. He was considered one of the best corners in that draft. He went at seventeen. You want to know who the Raiders took that year, Tyree Wilson at seven. It's Tyree Wilson at All Pro. They've had the same amount of years, the same amount of time, and Christian goan Zales got hurt his rookie year. It didn't even play the whole year. So yeah, I'm gonna just leave y'all with that. Raider Nation. Also, Uh, slot cornerback Derwin James. That's interesting because I'm pretty sure he's the safety, but they got him at slot corner, second team All Pro. The safety's at All Pro, Kyle Hamilton and Buddha Baker. Uh, this is all the This is interesting because placekicker Brandon Aubrey from the Cowboys second team Logan Cook, Jacksonville Jaguars punter. I don't know how the hell this happened, but Austin Eckler is an All Pro this year. Guess at what position? No kick returner. I don't remember him returning a kick for a touchdown, but hey whatever, Khalif Ramon got a punt returner. He definitely returned one for a touchdown this year. J T. Gray for the Saints special teamer, which is ironic because he was on the Chargers too when he went to Baylor long snapper was rossmatistic for the Jaguars. That's your All Pro team, right there? Any real objections? Yeah? I mean, so that's coming out. Snoop is gonna also be at the NFL, gonna be hosting the NFL Honors, So it's gonna be very interesting this playoff season. It's funny because at this press event that they had at the CS conference, I was at one of these companies hired like an actor that looked like Snoop and like one of my covers was like, is that stupid? Is that? I was like, are you sure that's not Snoop? And they're like ah, nods, like bh bah he had the whole aesthetic, and I was like, I don't know. I mean, his jewelry is nice, but his shoes are kind of whatever did he say color? And I was like, and honestly, I don't think Snoop would be here this earlier, at this kind of an event, and honestly, if it was Snoop, you would smell him. And honestly, that dude was like barely want to start than me. He's not six four years so yeah, I don't know, so is it kind of racist? But anyway, so the night goes on and like there's using this actor as like a you know, product spokesperson or whatever, like I don't know, celebrity ambassador. And then sure enough one of this our media friends was like, oh, I meant Snoop people showing all the selfies. Like et cetera. And then my boss is like it wasn't Snoop, Like he's like, what do you mean. He's like I talked to the guy who hired him, like he's my friend. Yeah, that's an actor. They've done that before. It was just funny, but it's just crazy, Like I was calling them Snoop Bee because it's like that's his backup Snoop. I was like, that's the AI Snoop. That's not actual, the real Snoop. But you can't say Snoop Bee because that's definitely a violation. It's she's a crip, yeah for sure. But it was a play on words. No, but you literally can't say that because he's a crip. Yeah, but you would get packed out if you said that in front of him anyway, you. Don't understay gang culture. You can't say that even I know what's a joke. Anyway, it was. It was a funny play on words that civilians can laugh At. The point that I was trying to make is that snoobie everywhere? So yeah, that's all I was trying to say. Didn't it feel kind of racist stuff a little bit? I mean kind of yeah, because I'm pretty sure that it's. Hard to find that dude with his skin text, his skin complexion exactly like him like that. You probably find the light skin due that he put the makeup on or somebody got like a professional makeup artisan. Now I kind of want to know how how they how fully they committed to the role. It's kind of interesting though, it's fun like that would seem like a fun thing to do. Trick people, just trick people into thinking you're rapster deep faking. Yeah, I mean there's not really many people I can I can do because like Sean Kingston's in prison and I kind of don't want to channel that energy. But I mean, yeah, speaking of prison energy, and you know, potentially being out of commission Sashaun Watson towards towards a Quillers again, he raptures the aequillers again, uh training, and now he might not play at all next season. I mean, I think that's better for everyone Mary because except him,
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  • TDT Live Week 18
    LetsTalkAboutIt
    Last week of the regular season
    Draft order
    Playoff seeding projections

    #CollegeFootballNews
    College Football Playoff Semifinal matchups set
    All the top-4 seeds did not make it despite having 1st round byes
    Draft declarations
    More NIL news

    #TakeOrTangent
    NFL Pro Bowl rosters announced

    #TouchdownOrTurnover
    Saquon Barkley not playing week 18 and won’t break Eric Dickerson’s single-season rushing yards record
    Cowboys and RB Zeke Elliott part ways mutually
    Jets interview Ron Rivera & Rex Ryan for Jets head coaching job

    #FadeOrFair
    Joe Budden sleepwalking ass naked & getting caught
    Joey Badass said stop LA dickeating in new rap song
    People are saying Ludacris can’t rap

    #UnnecessaryToughnessRants

    So then we're just pre recorded. No, we're recording now. So did it pick up anything that we just said? Touchdowns and Tangents Live from Hawthorne, California, your Thursday night spot for NFL takes Topical Tangents Take two. I'm p d Camio. He is alive in Tony twenty five and I can't wait to see that documentary that my coworker told me about that Austin Eckler's sister's wife is in because she's currently in a cult where they're forcing people to stay in the house and do weird ass tiktoks. What documentary is that? I think it's kind of darkness. Let me checked because he texted to me as wow, yeah, because it really I was fascinated when he told me. Uh but yeah, man, everyone out here fighting for the last fight with the variation of the flu, cold, covid allergies and. Just you know, seasonal depression. But yeah, can you just gonna drink his fucking day quill and go to sleep? Which is insidious, but I mean, I'm definitely gonna hit two bends on the way out the door. Shout out to speaker for getting rid of live recording so yeah, this isn't live anymore for the first time in a long time. So shout out, shout out to like medicine that stops your nose from running but then gives you a very insidious hackey cough, Like why why is a side effect of cough medicine a dry, irritating, and painful cough that may result in cough without blood. Explain that to me. If I took penicillin, I shouldn't get fucking aids. Bro, That's all I'm saying. It's wild out here, like sheesh, because your your lungs can still be swollen and inflamed even if you don't have as much a mucus as I have a DVD. Spazzing with no fluid in there to to. You know, make it easier. I mean that's really what a cough is is trying to push out the bad shit. But if you don't have that, then you're just pushing with no fluid. Like a cough is directly related to anxiety. No cuffs are related to inflammation. Also, you just it's actual sneezing. It just involuntary happens. I mean noise, yes, say no. But there's also reasons why some people cough more than others. There's environmental reasons, genetic reasons, et cetera. Yeah, because we Yeah. Anyways, moving on, Uh, a lot of football played this past week. We had the college football playoffs. We had a week seventeen in the NFL season. Most of the playoff spots are pretty much locked in at this point. Now, it's just kind of a matter of seeding. I think there's only like one or two games out really matter. Yeah, but they're insane because like the Lines have won more games than they ever wanted franchise history, and if they beat the Vikings, they're literally the number one overall seed and if you know, whichever team loses automatically becomes the five seeds. But the crazy thing fit with fourteen wins. But the crazy thing is like the Lions could have lost last week and still I'm playing for first place this week. Yep. But they whooped up on the Niners and got there. They got the back of blood. Yeah, and then the Rams are pretty much in. Well, the the Rams are in, well the Seahawks, and then you still have to play to get in. They have to win and somebody else has to lose and then I figure, what cartoon? That's wrong, it's from It's from No, it's from Dude, Where's My Car? I feel like that's from it was from a cartoon, and then and then and then no, it's from do where my car? Where My car? Is? Like two thousand, bro, that's twenty five years ago. It's crazy. Just think about right. No, fuck no, seriously, that's twenty five years ago. I'm not okay with that. That's most of our lives. Like I'm thirty two, means I was about to be eight when that ship came out. We had no business watching that ship at eight years old. It was hill of titties in there, though, Like the amount of underwear shots almost makes me uncomfortable now, Like why was there so much upskirt in that movie? That ship is like you remember that it is crazy. Hardcorese off pour bro, like it was it was a blimp because that was like the culture. It was because Ashon could. It was really stupid, dorky, fucking cartoonish buffoon and ship that like eventually made its way to college. Like they really just been kind of training us since we were kids, Like we definitely got groomed watching some of these movies. So yeah, it's looking like that movie wasn't even funny, bro except for the end Fox's part. So it's looking like the AFC is virtually locked up if the Broncos win. If they lose, it's looking like either the Dolphins or the Bengals can get in. I definitely don't see the Dolphins getting even if they beat the Jets, the Bengals. And they play the Browns. No, they played as Steelers, I'm sorry. The Bengals have to win to get in. The Steelers already have a playoff spot. And the Broncos are playing the Chiefs. The Broncos have to win, which. The Chiefs are probably gonna rest their starters. Now Carson's gonna be starting. Ain't playing Wentz? Yes, Carson Wentz. Shoot the perfect backup quarterback for them. Get you get your money lines ready? I guess. I mean, I don't bet, but you know somebody's gonna win. Somebody can win this game. I'm or whatever or record or what never whatever. Oh no, the end is locked up pretty much. The Buccaneers they have to win to the South is still open with the Buccaneers and the Falcons. The Commanders just the Commanders. Just the Buccaneers have the Saints and the Falcons have the Panthers. So if they both win, the Buccaneers in yep. But yeah, the Serions the Falcons swept the season series. But yeah, the Buccaneers have to lose for the Falcons. The Falcons have to win and the Buccaneers have to lose. The Seahawks are basically gonna miss it either you know, nine and eight or the seven, which they're probably gonna beat the Rams because the Rams are gonna reast their starters and they usually beat the Rams. Anyways, as what he take games and you don't the playoffs crazy, NFL's gonna have to change the playoff seeding because it doesn't make any sense for or not with team to host the first round playoff game just because you wore your division. The college football Playoff is gonna be the undoing of the NFL playoff structure. I mean, LOOKI lookie. You can't say, oh, we can't play twelve teams. Because very college playing sixteen games a year they coming to the league and not to player seventeen. Like, yeah, you're gonna. Like the Vikings should be hosting a playoff game, not the Buccaneers. On the other side of like you' said, fourteen wins already on. The other side of the spectrum, New England's currently sitting in the number one pick slot. Tennessee right behind them, followed by Cleveland and the Giants, all only have three wins. The Raiders have fallen to the eight spots to say one another game. They're in step with the Jaguars, Panthers, Jets, and Bears, all with four wins. Imagine being Davonte enforcing your way to the Jets, only to have the same amount of wins and actually be the worst team. And that hit a thousand yards receiver. Wow, he for sure would have hit a thousand if you would have stayed with the Raiders. But whatever, it's his legacy. Uh yeah, man, outside of that college football all right, bet so. Or you the number one overall seed got that ship clapped, just clapped like cheeks pushed in domain expansion, unilateral cheek clapping like that's pretty much what. Happened every multiverse. Same time. They got like they got health like negative twenty six rushing yards, which is wild knowing what they have on offense. They went down like three scores in the first half. Yes, because Jeremiah Smith is Julio Jones and AJ Green combined, but with like Percy Harvin speed. To take for you. Yeah, him and Ryan Williams. And guess what, he's only nineteen, He just turned nineteen. He's got six five. He said he was sixty five on the graphic. Jeremiah Smith, they said he was six five. Broe bro, he like six three, bro. They said he was six five. He's listed at six five. Bro. I swear to god, he's listening. I believe what you're saying. But I'm telling you, these schools always added a couple of inches oor nextrame. Remember they said Marvin Harrison was six five. They said Choyce Smith was six three. Y'all believe that ship too, are y'all y'all believe Choyce Smith was six three. I know he's listed at six three, but they had him at the graph on the graphic at six five. Yeah. They do that because they want to compare him the Calvin. But it's like, dude, there's only one Calvin for a fucking reason, because nobody saw a dude like Calvin Johnson coming. Nobody like nobody, nobody. Yeah, Okay, point. Imagine if kept their recruit crazy, he was an one I think he's an one player in the standent. No, he was. He lost to Sean McGray. I think for number one player, to Stan to Georgia. Who cow Johnson talking. About Jeremiah Spent he was the number one recruit in Florida or No, he's out of Florida, he's out of Miami. Yeah, I mean they wouldn't go do nothing with him. Look at Miami. They wouldn't. They wouldn't. High State's the best place, Brian Hartline is. It's producing elite receivers, all pro receivers. Saying that, I'm just saying Florida. If any of the Florida schools a
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