“The Journey,” an audio investigation hosted by the New Yorker staff writer Ava Kofman, unravels the mystery of how Guojun Xuan and Silvia Zhang, a wealthy Los Angeles couple, obtained dozens of children through nearly as many surrogates—and exposes a scandal that threatens to undermine the entire surrogacy industry.
In Episode 1, "Gifts," a woman in Texas agrees to carry a child for the couple. She thinks she’s helping a family in need. Then, she becomes a whistleblower.
In the Dark is an acclaimed investigative-journalism podcast that launched in 2016. Its third season won the 2025 Pulitzer Prize for audio.
To keep listening to "The Journey," search for In the Dark wherever you get your podcasts.

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Enjoy this episode from our friends at Milk Street Radio!

We answer your calls with Vaughn Vreeland (of New York Times Cookie Week fame) to help you bake the best cookies of the season; historian Pen Vogler breaks down classic Christmas dishes featured in Charles Dickens’ stories, from turkey to plum pudding; author Kat Lieu shares her recipe for Old-Fashioned Cantonese Shortbread; and reporter Mackenzie Martin shares the true story of a Wisconsin holiday tradition, the wildcat sandwich.

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The final chapter of Wally Amos’s life (and this podcast) begins with him quite literally on the run back to Hawaii and sets up a series of painful battles for host Sarah Amos and her family. 

As Sarah navigates the struggles so many face with an aging parent, she is finally forced to reckon with a father and life she had managed to avoid unpacking at all costs. 

Will the Amos family be able to come together to say goodbye to the charismatic figure at the center of it all, and will Sarah find the answers she was searching for when she started this journey?

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As Wally Amos continues to chase the fading fame from his Famous Amos days, he drifts farther and farther away from those who know him best, including host Sarah Amos, his daughter.

New wives, new cookie companies, and new schemes to win back his fame create a version of her dad from which Sarah does her best to run. But to Sarah’s surprise, it's Wally who makes the much more dramatic escape. 

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On the surface, Wally Amos appears to have it all: the fame, the fortune, and a new wife and daughter. And to top it off, he’s living in a big pink mansion in Hawaii. He’s also helping support literacy, making a name for himself as a motivational speaker and even visiting the White House. But in reality, Wally is on the verge of losing it all.

What can Wally do to save Famous Amos? And how can he do it without losing the brand that has become such an integral part of who he is?

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From Andy Warhol to Andy Kaufman, the meteoric success of Famous Amos Chocolate Chip Cookies was filled with big personalities and truly original ideas, infused with the undeniable charm of Wally every step of the way. 

But what on earth possessed him, then a struggling talent manager living in Los Angeles with his second family, to start a chocolate chip cookie company?

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Born in 1936 in Tallahassee, Florida, Wally Amos would rise from a poor Black kid in the segregated South to the first Black agent at the William Morris Agency, by way of time in New York City, the Air Force, and even Hawaii.  

He starts a family and has his first real taste of what success looks like—but struggles with the limitations placed on him as a Black man in America. Wally was raised to believe in himself, even if others do not. But how did he get here—and at what cost?

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Meet Wally Amos. He founded the ubiquitous Famous Amos Chocolate Chip Cookies in 1975, turning the brand into an overnight sensation and himself into a pop-culture fixture in the 1970s and 1980s. 

But there’s a darker side to Wally’s seemingly sweet story. One filled with five marriages to six women and a string of bad business decisions that led him to lose the empire he had created.

When he passed away in 2024, host Sarah Amos set out to untangle her father’s complicated past and finally face the life and legacy she had been avoiding. 

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A poor Black kid from the segregated South, Wally Amos would go on to be one of the most recognizable business and pop-culture figures of the 1970s and 1980s after launching Famous Amos chocolate chip cookies—before sadly losing it all. Join host Sarah Amos as she finally faces her father’s incredible but extremely messy legacy head-on in Tough Cookie: The Wally “Famous” Amos Story. Coming October 29. 

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