David Gornoski comments on the news that President Donald Trump and his wife has tested positive for the COVID virus. Also in the show, Alec Klein and Eric Kampmann return to the show with another segment of Trail Thoughts. Eric talks about his hiking experiences and the important lessons he has derived from them. Alec agrees with Eric on the need to view our lives as stories or pieces of art. What do we do when we feel lost and when we can't make it on our own?