Dust Reid and Massima Bell are the producers of the new album TRANSA, "a spiritual journey celebrating trans people." They talked to Ally and Babette about creating the album, compiling both covers and new work, and working with artists like Hunter Schafer and Sade.

Hosted by Ally Beardsley and Babette Thomas, Gender Spiral is a quest to explore the modern experience of being a human in our gendered world.

TRANSA is out now. Find more info at transa.world.

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