Denise Howell is joined by Tom W. Bell, who is a professor at Chapman University, Fowler School of Law, and author of Your Next Government?: From the Nation State to Stateless Nations. They discuss off-the-shelf government and open-source legal systems like Ulex, big tech stepping into roles traditionally occupied by government, seasteading, the future of cryptocurrency, and more.

Host: Denise Howell

Guest: Tom W. Bell

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