Two Besties with a Mic

This week, the Besties sit down with Clark Heady, a massage therapist and our personal encyclopedia of bodywork. Clark brings a blend of science, intuition, and real-life experience that makes you rethink everything you thought you knew about your body. From how fascia actually works, to why our daily habits shape the way we feel, to living in a small town with two very opinionated chihuahuas, Clark shares his journey with honesty, humor, and the kind of depth that makes you feel seen and understood.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• The foundational science behind effective bodywork techniques

• How intuition and empathy play a role in healing

• Clark’s personal journey and what inspired him to pursue bodywork

• Practical tips for both practitioners and clients to get the most out of each session

• The importance of integrating mind, body, and spirit for holistic wellness

Whether you’re a seasoned bodyworker, a curious client, or someone interested in the healing arts, this episode offers valuable insights and inspiration.

Connect with Clark Heady:

• Book through his website at Massage with Clark

• Call or text: 315-778-1317

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You can also follow Devan and Kelsey for more unfiltered conversations about real life, motherhood, and building a life on your terms on their Instagram ⁠@twobestieswithamic⁠

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This week marks a major milestone — the 50th episode of Two Besties with a Mic!

To celebrate, the Besties sit down with Shanae Wiseman — a mom, wife, entrepreneur, and realtor — to talk about what it means to rebuild yourself through every season of life.

From becoming a mom at just 15 to building a successful creative business and now thriving in real estate, Shanae’s story is one of resilience, courage, and learning to put yourself back on the list.

She opens up about her early years as a teen mom, surviving an abusive relationship, finding love and stability, and how she learned to trust the process as her life evolved. Shanae shares what it’s like to juggle motherhood, marriage, and a growing business — all while rediscovering who she is beyond the labels of wife and mom.

This episode is a powerful reminder that it’s okay to be selfish, to want something for yourself, and to chase independence even after years of putting everyone else first. Shanae’s journey shows that finding your identity after motherhood isn’t losing who you were — it’s uncovering who you’ve always been.

Connect with Shanae Wiseman:

Instagram: @shanaewithlakeontariorealty

Facebook: Shanae Wiseman Licensed Real Estate Assoc. Broker

TikTok: @shanaewisemanrealestate

Connect with Us:

If you loved this episode, share it with your bestie, leave a review, and don’t forget to hit subscribe. All episodes are available on Spotify and Apple Podcasts.

Follow Devan and Kelsey for more unfiltered conversations about real life, motherhood, and building a life on your terms on Instagram at @twobestieswithamic.

In this milestone episode, the Besties welcome their first-ever male guest, Kevin Cross, financial advisor and co-founder of Previs Wealth (and Kelsey’s cousin!). Together, they dive into money mindset, financial literacy, and how to build security without shame — all through honest, easy-to-understand conversations.

From Kelsey’s early “new mom on a budget” story to Kevin’s practical tips for saving, debt, and planning for the future, this episode takes the fear out of finances and replaces it with confidence, strategy, and a little humor.

Key Topics & Highlights:

• Starting from Zero: How Kelsey’s financial journey began with one tough-love conversation that changed everything.
• The Five Building Blocks of Financial Health: Kevin’s simple, approachable steps for budgeting, saving, managing debt, and planning long-term.
• Debt Talk (Without the Shame): The difference between “good” and “bad” debt — and why credit cards can be both.
• Retirement & Future Planning: Why starting small now matters more than waiting until it’s “the right time.”
• Women & Money: Breaking through old gender norms in finance and encouraging more women to take the lead.
• Life, Legacy, and Family: How to prepare for the unexpected — from wills and insurance to protecting your loved ones.
• Entrepreneurship & Flexibility: Balancing self-employment, parenting, and finances in real life.

Tune in for

• Real, relatable money talk — no jargon required

• Simple financial strategies that actually work

• A fresh perspective on wealth, balance, and parenthood

• The Besties’ signature mix of humor, honesty, and heart

Connect with Kevin

Kevin Cross | Previs Wealth

Website: previswealth.com

Instagram & Facebook: @PrevisWealth

LinkedIn: Previs Wealth

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Listen now for practical money wisdom, plenty of laughs, and the reminder that financial wellness is for everyone.

In this reflective episode, Kelsey and Devan explore The Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz—a small but powerful book that has shaped their personal growth, relationships, and self-awareness journeys. From overcoming self-judgment to practicing authenticity, the besties break down how these timeless teachings can transform everyday life.

Key Topics & Highlights:

• The Dream of the Planet: How inherited beliefs and generational “agreements” shape the way we see ourselves—and why it’s worth questioning them.

• Mistakes & Self-Judgment: Why humans punish themselves over and over, and how breaking that cycle can bring more emotional freedom.

• The Four Agreements in Action:

1. Be impeccable with your word — The power of language, truth, and self-talk.

2. Don’t take anything personally — Remembering that other people’s behavior is about them, not you.

3. Don’t make assumptions — Replacing stories with clarity, communication, and curiosity.

4. Always do your best — Redefining “your best” as flexible, intentional, and rooted in self-compassion.

• Everyday Practice: How Devan and Kelsey use these teachings in relationships, parenting, business, and personal growth—plus the reality of still messing up sometimes and trying again.

Memorable Quotes:

• “Your word can create the most beautiful dream, or your word can destroy everything around you.”

• “When someone snaps at you or judges you, that’s about them—not you.”

• “Doing your best is about effort and intention, not perfection.”

Tune in for:

• A beginner-friendly breakdown of The Four Agreements

• Honest stories of applying (and struggling with) these principles

• Laughter, real talk, and encouragement to live with more self-awareness and compassion.

Connect with Us:

Instagram | Spotify | Apple Podcasts

Whether you’ve read the book or not, this episode will leave you with practical tools to create a more intentional, joyful life. Buy the book today!

Listen now and join the conversation about living the four agreements in your own life!

Kelsey and Devan dive deep into the realities of entrepreneurship, personal growth, and the importance of authenticity in business and life. The conversation kicks off with Devan’s wild story about her car being stolen and recovered, and the emotional rollercoaster of dealing with unexpected life events—including a health scare with her dog.

Key Topics & Highlights:

• Letting Go of Others’ Blueprints: Both hosts reflect on the moment they realized they were chasing someone else’s version of success, and how embracing their own paths led to greater fulfillment.

• Authenticity in Branding: Kelsey and Devan share stories about trying to fit into industry molds, from pastel branding to adopting personas that didn’t feel true to themselves, and how they eventually found confidence in just being themselves.

• Healing Through Business: The hosts discuss how entrepreneurship has helped them heal old wounds, build self-worth, and break free from people-pleasing and comparison traps.

• Rebuilding from Scratch: If they had to start over, both would focus on local community, intentional branding, and setting boundaries early—plus, the importance of flexibility for family and life changes.

• Unlearning and Growth: The episode explores the necessity of unlearning people-pleasing, setting boundaries, and making business fit life (not the other way around).

• Failures and Flops: Devan and Kelsey talk about “shoulds” that flopped, why failure isn’t the end, and how every experience—good or bad—offers a lesson.

• Advice to Their Past Selves: Trust your gut, don’t chase someone else’s framework, and remember: there’s no single blueprint for success.

Memorable Quotes:

• “Your business should fit your life, not the other way around.”

• “Stop trying to use other people’s frameworks just exactly as is. Learn from their lessons, but try it for yourself.”

• “If you fail, just try again. It’s not the end all be all.”

Tune in for:

• Honest stories about business and life

• Practical advice for entrepreneurs and creatives

• Laughter, real talk, and a reminder that you’re not alone in figuring it all out

Connect with us today: 

Instagram | Spotify | Apple Podcasts

Listen now and join the conversation about burning the blueprint and building a business—and a life—that’s truly your own!

It’s just the two of us today — catching up on life, spilling some tea, and serving up the kind of unfiltered advice that could probably get us banned from a PTA meeting. We’re talking spirit guides (yes, actual ghosts), the crimes of soggy fries, and why some people need to hear “leave his ass” loud and clear.

Devan shares big, emotional updates: her kids’ adoption is official after a three-year journey, a trip to see her grandfather after his cancer diagnosis, and an unexpected, goosebump-inducing seance experience that connected her with family on the other side.

Kelsey’s life update includes buying a house, staying booked and busy with business, making intentional time for family this summer, and starting therapy.

Then we dive into:

• A Leave His Ass segment you won’t want to miss — featuring a Fort Drum spouse, a husband who filed separation papers behind her back, and our unfiltered advice on dignity, resources, and legal rights.

• Our brand new game: “Things That Should Be Illegal But Aren’t.” From people who say “yum-yums” to public speakerphone calls, not returning shopping carts, men saying “females,” and soggy fries, we decide whether these offenders should get a pass… or go straight to jail.

It’s part deep, heartfelt life talk, part spicy advice, and part laugh-until-you-snort commentary — in other words, classic Two Besties with a Mic.

Come hang out with us:IG: @TwoBestiesWithAMic

In this episode, Devan and Kelsey sit down with Sarah MacFarland, the powerhouse owner behind Chrissy Beans, a beloved bakery and café with locations in Sackets Harbor and Watertown, NY. Sarah shares her inspiring journey from working at Chrissy Beans as a teenager to unexpectedly becoming its owner years later during the height of the pandemic.

From bold business moves to balancing motherhood, marriage, and mental health, Sarah opens up about:

• How a spontaneous "yes" (and a job layoff) led her into entrepreneurship

• The evolution from small-town barista to small-business owner

• Building community through coffee, crafts, and open mic nights

• Her unexpected transition from corporate life to café culture

• Cultivating a team-first, supportive staff culture

• Losing pieces of herself in the process—and the work of reclaiming her identity

Plus, we talk about the importance of solitude, the power of self-awareness, and why it's okay to want more—even when everything looks perfect on paper.

Hot Topics We Covered:

• Growing a local brand while raising a family

• Creating safe, inclusive spaces in small towns

• Why peer-to-peer feedback and non-hierarchical leadership matter

• That one sandwich that changed Devan’s life (hint: apples included)

• Self-worth, burnout, and the myth of “having it all together”

Flash Round Highlights:

• Guilty pleasure? True crime.

• Favorite hype song? "Unstoppable" by Sia.

• Bucket list? A mother-daughter trip to Woodstock.

• Quote she lives by? “Fresh air and sunshine.”

Special Mentions & Shoutouts:

• Weekly and monthly events at Chrissy Beans: Trivia Nights, Craft Meetups, and Open Mic Tuesdays

• The upcoming Elevate Summit in Watertown (November 7–9, 2025)

Visit Chrissy Beans:

• Sackets Harbor: Next to the post office

• Watertown: Washington Street, in the plaza

Follow Chrissy Beans for event updates:Instagram | Facebook | Website

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Ever wondered what Human Design actually is and why everyone seems to be talking about it? In this episode, Devan and Kelsey sit down with Human Design expert Anna Kinney to break it all down.

Anna shares how Human Design can help you better understand yourself, your energy, and how you move through the world. She also opens up about her own journey of shedding old identities, building her business, and what it really means to live in alignment.

We cover:

• The biggest myths about Human Design (and what’s actually true)

• Common mistakes people make when reading their chart

• How Human Design can validate your natural strengths and help you find your flow

• Why “waiting for the invitation” doesn’t mean sitting around doing nothing

• The deeper magic of deconditioning and trusting your own energy

Whether you’re brand new to Human Design or already know your type, this episode is packed with insights that will help you use the tool in a way that actually fits your life.

Connect with Anna: https://annawithintention.love/

Get your free Human Design chart directly on her site!

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Instagram: @twobestieswithamic

This week, the Besties sit down with Ashley Young. A mom, wife, and founder of Fizzy and Free to talk about what it means to ditch the nightly wine ritual and find yourself again in the chaos of motherhood.

Ashley opens up about her journey from being a nightly drinker to finding sobriety, peace, and purpose. She shares the real-life challenges of being a mom in a wine-obsessed world, how she landed in the hospital from a 12-day bender, and what finally pushed her to stop hitting reset and start building something better. Not just for herself but for other moms who feel like they’re drowning in expectations and the overwhelming chaos of motherhood.

Expect honest conversations about:

• The sneaky way alcohol becomes part of a mom’s identity

• The pressure of "mommy wine culture" and social media highlight reels

• Creating small, sustainable change vs. all-or-nothing thinking

• How to support yourself (or a friend) when stuck in the “Day One” cycle

• What freedom really looks like after alcohol

Plus, hear how Fizzy and Free was born, how Lisa Frank inspired Ashley’s branding, and why sometimes a sticker on your body (or a bowl of M&Ms) is the dopamine hit you need.

Highlights from this episode:

• Ashley’s candid take on postpartum expectations and losing yourself in motherhood

• Devan and Kelsey’s reflections on foster parenting, early intervention, and navigating “mom guilt”

• The magic of Annie Grace’s This Naked Mind and the science behind alcohol cravings

• Flash round fun (including Ashley’s Imagine Dragons hype songs and guilty pleasure desserts)

Connect with Ashley Young:

• Instagram & Facebook: @fizzyandfree

• Sign Up for Ashley's Free Workshop on August 1st: Stop Hitting Reset — 5 Tools to Break the Nightly Wine Cycle

If you loved this episode, share it with your bestie, leave a review, and don’t forget to hit subscribe. All episodes are available on Spotify & Apple Podcasts.

You can also follow Devan and Kelsey for more unfiltered conversations about real life, motherhood, and building a life on your terms on their Instagram @twobestieswithamic

This week, Devan and Kelsey are joined by not one, but two incredible guests: Destiny of Wild Roots and Stephanie of Cosmic Feels. Together, they form The Return, a soul-led collaboration that blends wellness, energy work, and survivor advocacy into community offerings rooted in healing and connection.

Inside this Episode:

• How Destiny and Stephanie met (yes, in a rainstorm, surrounded by crystals)

• The origin of The Return and its mission to bring self-care and healing into shelters, conferences, and local spaces

• The transformative power of sound healing, astrology, and intentional sisterhood

• The behind-the-scenes of their chakra series and how it became a gateway for deeper self-awareness and growth

• Honest conversations about money, guilt, and the emotional labor of women

• • Kelsey and Devan feeling wildly seen by their guest doppelgängers

  
  

  Plus:

• The truth about tuning forks, buffalo drums, and the vagus nerve

• Sound healing isn’t just “woo”—it’s science and intention

• Why investing in healing matters just as much as a new sofa

• What healing really means (spoiler: it’s not a destination)

Connect With The Guests:

Destiny – Wild Roots Wellness & Revival

Offers sound healing, group meditations, and pop-ups

Locations in Theresa, Watertown, and surrounding areas

Follow: Wild Roots Wellness & Revival on Facebook

Stephanie – Cosmic Feels

Astrology readings, crystal jewelry, tuning fork + Reiki sessions

Available at the Wellness Crystal Cottage

Follow: Instagram – @cosmic_feels

Facebook – Cosmic Feels

Podcast – Cosmic Beauty (Available on IG @cosmicbeautypod)

Together, they also lead The Return, offering trauma-informed, accessible wellness for shelters, organizations, and beyond.

Don't forget!

Grab your Elevate Summit 2025 ticket today! Happening November 7–9 in Watertown, NY. Because sisterhood, healing, and bold moves aren’t just nice-to-haves—they’re necessary.