Two for Tea Podcast

You can find Andrew’s books here (among other places): https://www.amazon.co.uk/Andrew-Doyle/e/B001K8AWRC/ref=ntt_dp_epwbk_0

Andrew’s show, Free Speech Nation, can be found here: https://www.gbnews.uk/shows/free-speech-nation

For Jonathan Pie (co-written with Tom Walker) see: https://www.youtube.com/user/tomwalker78

Follow Andrew on Twitter: @andrewdoyle_com

Further References

For more on Marcus Meechan (Count Dankula): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFraBEwucEY

Helen Pluckrose’s review of Free Speech and Why It Matters for Areo Magazine: https://areomagazine.com/2021/03/03/defending-the-key-liberal-value-andrew-doyles-free-speech-and-why-it-matters/

Greg Lukianoff, Unlearning Liberty: Campus Censorship and the End of American Debate (2014)

Nigel Warburton, Free Speech: A Very Short Introduction (2009)

Nadine Strossen, HATE: Why We Should Resist it With Free Speech, Not Censorship (2018)

Jeonmi Park’s interview with Jordan Peterson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yqa-SdJtT4

Jordan Peterson, Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief (1999)

Michel Foucault, The History of Sexuality (1976)

Radclyffe Hall, The Well of Loneliness (1928)

Compton Mackenzie, Extraordinary Women (1928)

E. M. Forster, Maurice (1971)

Guy Deutscher, Through the Language Glass: Why the World Looks Different in Other Languages (2010)

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/how-british-cops-became-the-literal-speech-police (Your host, Iona, on UK hate speech laws)

Bradley Campbell and Jason Manning, The Rise of Victimhood Culture: Microaggressions, Safe Spaces, and the New Culture Wars (2018)

Jonathan Haidt and Greg Lukianoff, The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas Are Setting Up a Generation for Failure (2018)

Timestamps

9:41 A primer on free speech

14:10–22:42 The new conformity: excerpt from Andrew’s book

22:52 Cancel culture vs. political correctness

24:53 Consequentialist arguments vs. human rights arguments for free speech

27:10 How easily influenced are we by media?

36:20 The influence of postmodern ideas of language as power on the free speech debate

38:45 Homosexuality: a social construct?

49:16 Censorship from the left

55:26 Self-censorship

56:28 Censorship by the Tory government, including social media censorship

01:08:43 Trade offs of free speech. The dangers of restricting freedoms. The Scottish Hate Speech Bill.

richarddawkins.net/

Richard’s latest publication, Books Do Furnish a Life (2021) is available among other places here:

www.penguin.co.uk/books/111/111994…81787633681.html

See also The Selfish Gene (1979); The Extended Phenotype (1982); Climbing Mount Improbable (1996); A Devil’s Chaplain (2003); The Ancestor’s Tale (2005); The God Delusion (2006) and many other works.

For a more complete list of Richard’s books:

www.britannica.com/biography/Richard-Dawkins

Follow Richard on Twitter: @RichardDawkins

Further References

Jerry Coyne, Why Evolution Is True (2009)

Erik Hoel, The Revelations (2021)

Timestamps

4:16 Why more non-scientists should take pleasure in science writing

6:07 Why it is important for scientists to write clearly

14:35 Continuously updated virtual reality

16:33 The genetic book of the dead

20:09 The extended phenotype

25:04 Literature and poetry

27:58 Misconceptions of the gene’s eye view

33:13 Misinterpretations of evolutionary biology and of Dawkins’ own work in particular

35:48 Defying our genes

36:08 Anti-Darwinian ethics

37:20 Threats to the understanding of science

39:14 Dawkins’ gift for satire

44:29 Dawkins’ own favourite work

https://sister-hood.com/author/sadia-hameed/

https://areomagazine.com/2021/05/17/the-silencing-of-ethnic-minority-victims-of-abuse/

https://www.facebook.com/Gloucestershire-Sisters-1974497649471316/groups

Follow Sadia on Facebook: @sadia936

Further References

Nimco Ali, What We Are Told Not to Talk About (2019)

Timestamps

2:00 Sadia’s background

8:33 Sadia’s abduction to Pakistan

19:03 High-control communities and the need to deal with the crime, not the identity.

21:53 Self-appointed spokespeople, segregated communities & the stereotype of the perfect victim

26:58 Religion and culture, the infantilisation of ethnic minorities

47:58 Immigrants and legal double standards

53:48 The ideological capture of the UK political parties by identity politics

59:10 Racism in the UK past and present

1:17:35 Language policing and self-censorship

1:21:08 How identity politics impacts the way in which we deal with crime

For more on Jonathan:

https://www.brookings.edu/experts/jonathan-rauch/

You can preorder The Constitution of Knowledge: A Defense of Truth (2021) from Amazon:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Constitution-Knowledge-Jonathan-Rauch-author/dp/0815738862

Other books:

The Outnation: Search for the Soul of Japan (1992); Kindly Inquisitors: The New Attacks on Free Thought (1993); Demosclerosis: The Silent Killer of American Government (1994); Government's End: Why Washington Stopped Working (1999); Denial: My 25 Years Without a Soul (2003); Gay Marriage: Why It Is Good for Gays, Good for Straights, and Good for America (2004); Political Realism: How Hacks, Machines, Big Money, and Back-Room Deals Can Strengthen American Democracy (2015); The Happiness Curve: Why Life Gets Better After 50 (2018).

Follow Jonathan on Twitter @jon_rauch

Further References

Jonathan Haidt, The Righteous Mind: Why Good People are Divided by Politics and Religion (2013)

Matt McManus, The Rise of Post-Modern Conservatism: Neoliberalism, Post-Modern Culture, and Reactionary Politics (2020)

The Spiral of Silence A Theory of Public Opinion (weebly.com):

https://msp1021.weebly.com/uploads/1/1/8/4/11840812/noelle-neumann-1974-journal_of_communication.pdf

"Culture and Identity-Protective Cognition: Explaining the White Male E" by Dan M. Kahan:

https://digitalcommons.law.yale.edu/fss_papers/101/

Timestamps

01:26 Knowledge is a social phenomenon, the social network of liberal science

15:58 Compromise as a spur to creativity

18:58 Fallibilism vs. scepticism

23:11 Trolling and cancel culture: two kinds of manipulation used to spoof consensus

30:02 The spiral of silence

35:10 How social media tools are ideally suited for manipulation of the information environment

36:52 The importance of subjecting all views to criticism and following that process wherever it leads.

39:01 Conservatives and liberals: parallel epistemic communities

44:27 Reality-based journalism is less lucrative

46:26 Identity-protective cognition

48:21 They’re not ten feet tall—we are: ways of combating disinformation.

References

Erik’s novel, The Revelations (2021) can be found here and elsewhere:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Revelations-Novel-Erik-Hoel-ebook/dp/B084ZKXQ12

For a fuller selection of Erik’s writing:

https://www.erikphoel.com/

Especially relevant to our conversation:

https://thebaffler.com/salvos/enter-the-supersensorium-hoel

Follow Erik on Twitter @erikphoel

Further References

Correspondence between Descartes and Princess Elisabeth:|

https://www.earlymoderntexts.com/assets/pdfs/descartes1643_1.pdf

Samuel Richardson, Clarissa: Or, The History of a Young Lady. Comprehending the Most Important Concerns of Private Life (1748)

George Eliot, Middlemarch, A Study of Provincial Life (1871–2)

Timestamps

2:57 Paracosmic play

6:59 Novels that deal with science

9:36 I analyse Erik’s writing style

12:30 New York City as a conscious organism

18:44 The iconoclast protagonist and the shortcomings of neuroscience

23:10 I read a passage from Erik’s novel

43:25 Dreams—a reading from the novel plus discussion

48:48 The advantage of literature over film and TV. The advantage of literature over science.

1:11:45 The rise of the MFAs

1:18:08 I read another passage from Erik’s novel

https://richarddawkins.net/

Richard’s latest publication, Books Do Furnish a Life (2021) is available among other places here:

https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/111/1119942/books-do-furnish-a-life/9781787633681.html

See also The Selfish Gene (1979); The Extended Phenotype (1982); Climbing Mount Improbable (1996); A Devil’s Chaplain (2003); The Ancestor’s Tale (2005); The God Delusion (2006) and many other works.

For a more complete list of Richard’s books:

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Richard-Dawkins

Follow Richard on Twitter: @RichardDawkins

Further References

Jerry Coyne, Why Evolution Is True (2009)

Erik Hoel, The Revelations (2021)

Timestamps

4:24 Why more non-scientists should take pleasure in science writing

6:15 Why it is important for scientists to write clearly

14:43 Continuously updated virtual reality

16:41 The genetic book of the dead

20:17 The extended phenotype

25:12 Literature and poetry

28:06 Misconceptions of the gene’s eye view

33:21 Misinterpretations of evolutionary biology and of Dawkins’ own work in particular

35:56 Defying our genes

36:16 Anti-Darwinian ethics

37:28 Threats to the understanding of science

39:20 Dawkins’ gift for satire

44:37 Dawkins’ own favourite work

Ashok’s book can be found here:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Masala-Lab-Science-Indian-Cooking/dp/0143451375

His YouTube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/c/krishashok

Follow Ashok on Twitter: @krishashok

Further References

Meher Mirza’s column in The Juggernaut - The Weight of Parsi Toddy (thejuggernaut.com):

https://www.thejuggernaut.com/the-weight-of-parsi-toddy

Timestamps

2:54 Ashok reads the opening of chapter 2, “The Science of Spice” on coriander, supertasters

6:08 A scientific approach to writing about Indian food

13:07 Cooking rice: the science behind the folk wisdom

16:55 Why you should rely on heuristics, not recipes

22:58 Why Indian cookery is easier to improvise than French or Italian

25:16 The rise of restaurants and the industrialisation of cooking

27:25 Indian urban life post-independence and the difficulties of getting fresh ingredients

30:25 Heat

35:58 Alcohol

41:31 Authenticity

48:43 Advice for budding cooks who are intimidated by Indian cookery

54:07 The audience of Ashok’s book

01:02:58 I read from the introduction

Academic Freedom Alliance:

https://academicfreedom.org/

You can find Keith’s book Speak Freely: Why Universities Must Defend Free Speech (2018) here:

https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691191522/speak-freely

You can find all of Keith’s academic publications here:

https://scholar.princeton.edu/kewhitt/home

Keith regularly blogs here:

https://reason.com/volokh/

Follow Keith on Twitter: @kewhittington

Further References

My interview with Greg Lukianoff:

https://soundcloud.com/twoforteapodcast/78-greg-lukianoff-defending-free-speech

Experienced. Nonpartisan. Defending Your Rights. - FIRE:

https://www.thefire.org/

Heterodox Academy:

https://heterodoxacademy.org/

Timestamps

2:24 The ACA’s specific mission; free speech norms at universities

17:55 The defence of free speech for academics is controversial among academics

20:23 Free speech is not a partisan issue

35:16 How susceptible are people to absorbing ideas they hear or read about?

42:25 Misconceptions about the situation on campuses, day to day

48:44 The case of Tom Smith

55:27 The distinction between academic freedom and freedom of speech

01:03:23 What you can do to help

You can find Yasmine’s book, Unveiled: How Western Liberals Empower Radical Islam (2019) here:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Unveiled-Western-Liberals-Empower-Radical/dp/1999240502

Free Hearts Free Minds:

https://www.freeheartsfreeminds.com/

Follow Yasmine on Twitter: @YasMohammedxx

Further References

Ben Affleck, Sam Harris and Bill Maher Debate Radical Islam | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO) - YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vln9D81eO60

Maajid Nawaz, Radical: My Journey out of Islamist Extremism (2012)

Timestamps

4:05 Yasmine’s life

14:22 Ignored by the Canadian authorities

15:01–16:07 I read a passage from Unveiled

21:29–22:42 I read a passage on hijab and niqab from Unveiled

22:43 More on hijab and niqab

32:34 How Yasmine finally broke free and adapted to secular life

42:02–43:58 A passage from Unveiled on sex after Islam

44:30 Free Hearts, Free Minds, Yasmine’s organisation; also her new book collection of women who have left Islam

50:33 –52:50 A passage on feminists in the west and their role in this, from Unveiled

You can find Sadanand’s writing for the Wall Street Journal here:

https://www.wsj.com/news/author/sadanand-dhume

Specifically on “Love Jihad”:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/hindu-nationalists-crazy-crackdown-on-love-jihad-11606349657

Sadanand’s work at the American Enterprise Institute:

https://www.aei.org/profile/sadanand-dhume/

For more from Sadanand on Hindu ethnonationalism:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RawnTNec6Nc

The Grand Tamasha podcast:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxp8lyhZjcI&list=PL19Wqzt3FqEUvI2mEQVRngisQMecIfoGf

Sadanand’s book:

https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/My-Friend-the-Fanatic/Sadanand-Dhume/9781634504218

Follow Sadanand on Twitter: @dhume

Further References

Some of my sources of Indian news, as promised:

The Hindu: Breaking News, India News, Sports News and Live Updates:

https://www.thehindu.com/

The Quint:

https://www.thequint.com/

Scroll.in:

https://scroll.in/

The Caravan (caravanmagazine.in):

https://caravanmagazine.in/

The Quilliam Circle:

https://www.quilliaminternational.com/circle/

Maajid Nawaz, Radical: My Journey out of Islamist Extremism (2012)

Shashi Tharoor, Why I Am a Hindu (2018)

My interview with Salil Tripathi:

https://soundcloud.com/twoforteapodcast/44-salil-tripathi-journalistic-integrity

My interview with Armin Navabi:

https://soundcloud.com/twoforteapodcast/episode-028-armin-navabi-the-battle-for-iran

For more on the “sexy Kali” controversy:

https://atheistrepublic.libsyn.com/indians-respond-to-sexy-hindu-goddess-kali-part-1

and

https://www.youtube.com/c/AtheistRepublic/search?query=sexy%20kali

My article on the Indian project:

https://areomagazine.com/2019/08/15/on-being-a-proud-indian/

Timestamps

2:04 The so-called “Love Jihad” laws, fears of conversion, Indian paternalism

16:01 Interfaith marriages in India

8:30 Attitudes towards Christian converts

24:32 Problems within the Indian Muslim community.

30:43 Indian secularism at the time of Independence

37:57 The various anxieties about Islamic radicalism that helped fuel the rise of Hindu nationalism

39:11 Double standards in Indian law

41:26 India’s electoral system, group mobilisation and the abandonment of secularism on the part of the Hindu nationalists

45:18 Muslim personal law, the Hajj subsidy

49:18 Hindu religious radicalism

58:00 The chilling effect on speech

01:00:33 Indian law and freedom of speech

01:06:05 Indian exceptionalism and the achievements of Indian secularism

01:08:30 Misconceptions about democracy, the weakness of Indian institutions

01:11:30 The recent controversial citizenship laws, the NRC and CAA

01:19:09 How Covid-19 and the pandemic have affected Indian politics. Sadanand’s predictions for the future.