In this special Veterans Day episode, we sit down with the incomparable Keturah Johnson—combat veteran, flight attendant, and International Vice President of AFA-CWA. As the first queer woman of color and veteran elected to serve in this powerful union role, Keturah shares her extraordinary journey from the tarmac to the battlefield to the picket lines. She opens up about her military service during “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” her fierce advocacy for trans rights, and the fight for visibility and equity in aviation.

This conversation is full of heart, truth, and power. We dive into what it means to wear the uniform—both in the military and in the skies—as a queer person of color, and how union activism is helping change the future of the flight attendant profession. Keturah brings receipts, realness, and the kind of candid insight that will leave you inspired (and maybe a little fired up). You don't want to miss this one.

 

Episode Highlights:

[0:21] Introducing Keturah Johnson and why she’s the perfect Veterans Day guest
 [1:20] That time Keturah met Joe Biden at the airport—aviators and all
 [2:42] From catering planes to the National Guard—Keturah’s journey into the military
 [5:00] Deployed to Afghanistan: surviving combat under “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”
 [7:04] “Don’t clap for veterans—vote for them.” Keturah gets real about systemic neglect
 [10:57] Growing up in Kenya and how that shaped her global worldview
 [13:20] Losing her locks in the military and reclaiming identity through union activism
 [21:57] Fighting for uniform choice and pushing back from day one
 [24:22] Union leadership 101—stepping into power and demanding representation
 [27:44] Why diverse leadership matters and the power of being unapologetically visible
 [30:50] The importance of visibility through pins, pronouns, and showing up
 [32:47] Becoming the first queer woman of color elected to high AFA office
 [35:06] Dealing with respect and disrespect—how Keturah keeps going
 [38:24] Speaking up at work: real advice f

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Have you ever wished there was a school for airplane passengers? Well, class is in session! In this episode, we're diving headfirst into the do’s and don’ts of airplane etiquette, straight from the galley to your ears. From overhead bin blunders to bare feet horror stories, we’re breaking down everything that makes us cringe—and laugh—when flying the friendly skies. And yes, we’ve got thoughts on your speakerphone convos and tuna sandwiches too.

We’re sharing real listener stories, our own in-flight drama, and hilarious personal experiences that highlight the bizarre (and sometimes brilliant) behavior we see onboard. If you’ve ever flown—or plan to—you won’t want to miss this crash course in sky manners. Bonus: You might just walk away knowing the true rules of the armrest game.

 

Episode Highlights:

[0:39] We kick off class—welcome to the school of airplane etiquette.
 [1:26] Rich shares a passenger meltdown over a tight connection... and poor decision-making.
 [4:58] Andrew's “everything went wrong” trip, complete with delays, storms, and missed trains.
 [9:04] We react to your listener-submitted etiquette gripes—starting with bare feet on bulkheads.
[10:50] Armrest rules, manspreading, and who controls the window shade—welcome to Sky Law.
[14:44] Speakerphone sagas, juicy convos, and when it's okay (maybe) to listen in.
[17:01] PSA: Stop yanking seatbacks to stand up—your seatmate’s neck will thank you.
[18:04] The overhead bin shuffle—get what you need before sitting down!
[19:25] Safety demo respect, headphone etiquette, and who deserves your “thank you.”
[22:02] Don’t poke the flight attendant... or touch us anywhere else either.
[23:06] The great overhead bin debate—move my bag? Drew says yes. Rich says... ask first.
[26:24] The etiquette of bathroom use—just don’t. Unless you must. Then spritz, please.
[28:01] Whispered convos, stinky food, and should you snore?
[29:26] Lavatory habits and tray table horror stories—we see (and smell) it all.
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Jet lag—it’s that relentless travel companion we never asked for but always seem to bring along. In this episode, we’re unpacking the reality of jet lag from the flight attendant perspective: what works, what totally doesn’t, and the hilarious and horrifying travel stories we’ve collected along the way. Whether you’re someone who swears by strategic napping or you’re just trying to make it to the Airbnb without puking into a canal (hi, Amsterdam), this one’s for you.

We’re also diving into TikTok travel trends, influencer airport fails, and the magic of “cart chemistry” on long-haul flights. Plus, we’re dishing out the best jet lag tips we’ve got—from hydration hacks to buffer day brilliance—and, of course, sharing one outrageous galley gossip tale involving a mystery mouse. Grab your melatonin (or maybe don’t), and buckle up for a brutally honest, laugh-out-loud episode that proves no one is immune to the jet lag struggle.

 

Episode Highlights:

[0:21] – That burning passenger question: “How do you deal with jet lag?”
 [1:25] – Drew gets randomly selected at TSA and has thoughts on viral TikTok trends (spoiler: they’re not cute)
 [4:24] – Airport train TikTok chaos: SEPTA isn’t here for your influencer moment
 [5:48] – Meet "cart chemistry": when your inflight service partner is your soul twin
 [7:28] – Amsterdam anniversary trip: jet lag + weak stomach = canal drama
 [11:55] – Portugal panic: no sleep + no public bathrooms = street meltdown
 [15:12] – Rich’s Mrs. Doubtfire nap: the Christmas show he totally slept through
 [16:29] – The food trick that saved us: bringing your own sandwich
 [18:56] – Shoutout to StaffTraveler: how we survive the non-rev chaos
 [22:07] – Why grace and buffer days save our relationship (and our sanity)
 [25:50] – Sleep aids? Not for us. We’ll take strategic naps and caffeine instead
 [28:46] – Move your body? Sure—but not in the aisle, please
 [30:34] – Bali belly defeated: probiotics, prep time, and a 24-hour nap win
 [31:15] – Best advice ever? Always pla

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In this episode, we’re diving headfirst into one of the biggest debates in the airline world: regional versus mainline flying. Rich has always flown mainline, while Drew brings a ton of insight from his years working at a regional airline. So we’re unpacking the real differences in schedules, pay, camaraderie, catering (or lack thereof), and what it truly means to fly solo on a 50-seater.

Whether you're in the industry, considering becoming a flight attendant, or just a curious traveler, this episode is packed with behind-the-scenes perspectives and brutally honest takes on the pros, cons, and culture of both worlds. Plus, we’ve got a cringe-worthy galley gossip story that will make you rethink in-flight proposals forever.

 

Episode Highlights:

[0:00] Kicking things off with flight attendant mood swings and summer flying chaos
 [4:05] Intro to today’s topic: the battle of regional vs. mainline
 [5:41] Drew breaks down what regional flying actually is—and how he stumbled into it
 [6:38] Flying solo: what it's really like to be the only flight attendant on board
 [10:13] The boarding pay debate and why regional FAs work way harder than they get credit for
 [13:24] DIY catering horror stories and building your own galley mid-flight
 [16:19] Mainline arrogance: why we need to stop looking down on regional crews
 [18:41] Seniority, choices, and finding the right airline “fit” for you
 [20:18] Why transferring airlines isn’t just a quick hop—it’s a full restart
 [23:25] Losing the camaraderie: how the industry has changed
 [26:19] Respecting everyone’s path in aviation—there is no one-size-fits-all
 [28:00] Travel benefits explained: how they differ between regionals and mainline
 [30:23] StaffTraveler shoutout and how it’s saved our non-rev lives
 [31:12] Galley Gossip: an in-flight proposal gone terribly, hilariously wrong
 [34:19] How to support us on Patreon and what’s coming next!

 

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Ever wondered what flight attendants really think about your in-flight behavior? In this episode, we’re diving headfirst into a spicy list of audience-submitted hot takes about air travel—and trust us, some of these takes had us howling, gasping, and nodding in agreement. From flip-flops in the lav to the eternal debate over seat reclining, we’re unpacking it all from 35,000 feet.

We also kick things off with a little summer flying catch-up—how we keep ourselves sane (and stylish) on those sweaty commutes, what’s playing in our AirPods, and how a killer playlist can make all the difference. Then it’s time to get into your opinions on everything from grooming on board to the infamous middle seat. Whether you’re crew or just curious, this episode’s got something for everyone.

 

Episode Highlights:

[0:00] Starting off with summer vibes and how we survive commuting in a swamp
 [2:24] What's in our AirPods? (Spoiler: lots of queens and throwbacks)
 [4:35] Flip flops on planes? Absolutely not. Here's why.
 [6:40] Drew’s golden rule: if someone tells you to “ask the flight attendant,” the answer is probably no
 [8:53] Middle seat madness—do some people actually prefer it?
[10:08] Is reclining your seat selfish? We debate both sides
[12:03] The gross world of in-flight personal grooming
[13:57] Backpack behavior 101: do you need a license to carry one?
[16:13] The “board back to front” myth—why it doesn’t work
[17:43] Shower and deodorant before flying? Yes, please
[19:58] Window shade politics and why Drew’s keeping his open
[21:01] Shorts on planes and the emotional damage of skin-to-seat contact
[22:53] Why leaving trash behind is just not it
[24:28] Overhead bin drama—your backpack might not belong up there
[25:36] Please don’t bring a tuna sandwich onto the plane, we beg you
[27:20] No headphones? No thank you. Keep your audio to yourself
[28:28] Bare feet on seats and other airplane crimes
[29:32] The chaos of post-landing stampedes

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Ever feel like your flight attendants are just out to nag you? In this episode, we’re pulling back the galley curtain to explain why those “annoying” reminders—seat belts, tray tables, and stowing your bag—are actually life-saving safety protocols. From clear-air turbulence to last-minute emergencies, we walk through the real reasons why the little things we ask of passengers matter in a big way. Trust us, it’s not about being on a power trip—we genuinely care. We’re also sharing a wild in-flight story, including an unforgettable moment that had us questioning everything we thought we knew about carry-ons (spoiler: it involves a baby in an overhead bin). 

 

Episode Highlights:

[0:21] Why passengers think flight attendants are “nagging”
 [2:13] The 90-second evacuation rule—and why it drives everything we do
 [3:58] Why seat belts matter beyond turbulence
 [5:32] Seat belt signs during cruise—yes, still important!
 [7:31] Turbulence is getting worse—and pilots don’t always get it right
 [8:12] Overhead bins, under-seat storage, and the chaos of loose bags
 [10:27] Yes, even pilots sometimes break the rules (and we call them out)
 [11:48] If you ask whether you can get up—then don’t listen—why did you ask?
 [13:09] Why you should actually pay attention to the safety demo
[16:29] We’re not nagging. We just want you safe.
[17:18] What Would Two Guys Do? — Drew’s wildest inflight story: Baby on an overhead bin. 

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This week, we’re beyond thrilled to welcome Sara Nelson, International President of the Association of Flight Attendants (AFA-CWA), into the studio. From wrangling a six-foot-seven passenger mid-flight to wrangling billion-dollar contracts at the bargaining table, Sara brings stories, laughs, and powerful truths about the airline industry you won’t hear anywhere else.

We talk about her nearly 30-year career, the moments that lit her fire for union advocacy, and why solidarity is the most important tool we have as flight attendants. You’ll hear about industry changes that impact your flying experience (and ours), how collective action has led to real wins like 10 hours minimum rest, and why flight attendants are so much more than “the girls in the back.” Buckle up – this one’s part hilarious, part jaw-dropping, and 100% inspiring.

 

Episode Highlights:

[0:00] Welcome aboard & introducing the legendary Sara Nelson
[1:56] Sara’s wildest passenger story – a Vegas all-nighter gone very wrong
[7:52] The moments of solidarity that keep us flying
[8:30] How a snowy day, a phone call, and a pension got Sara into aviation
[14:00] Why flight attendants show up for each other in ways no one else can
[20:29] Early union work, strike lines, and becoming a loud voice for change
[24:36] 9/11, personal loss, and the fight against corporate greed
[29:09] What we wish passengers knew about our jobs today
[34:46] “We are the union” – how every FA can create change
[36:22] From the jumpseat to Congress: Sara’s unexpected path to leadership
[38:30] Building power across all unions – from baristas to auto workers
[43:41] The difference between power and control (and who really has it)
[49:30] Sara’s proudest win: the long fight for 10 hours minimum rest
[53:37] Advice to every new hire flight attendant
[55:53] Why that union pin matters more than you think
[56:59] Lightning round – layovers, snacks, playlists, and dream destinations

 

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Ever wonder what really goes down on a flight crew layover? In this episode, we’re pulling back the hotel room curtain and dishing on the layover life—whether we’re out chasing the best food spots or locked in our rooms with Netflix and snacks. From wild travel delays to postcard collections, this episode is a true behind-the-scenes look at the weird, wonderful, and sometimes downright chaotic world of flight attendant downtime.

We dive into what makes or breaks a layover (spoiler: it’s not just the city), the art of slam clicking, and why our favorite layovers usually involve crispy wings, hot donuts, or a great bookstore. Whether you’re a crew member or a curious traveler, this episode gives you a hilarious and honest view of what it’s really like when the cabin door closes and the crew hits the hotel.

 

Episode Highlights:

[0:21] Layover life—are you a slam clicker or an explorer?
[0:53] Rich’s chaotic week flying through radar outages and unruly passengers
[3:11] Great layovers vs. great crews—what matters more?
[5:18] Slam clicking by default, but bidding for food (hello, Hat Tricks wings!)
[6:05] Rich’s dreamy brunch spot in Tampa and our mutual obsession with Oxford Exchange
[6:59] Flying just for donuts and pizza—we’ll travel for carbs
[8:59] Favorite layovers, comfy hotels, and what we really look for when we bid
[10:23] Least favorite cities and how hotel quirks can make or break a trip
[11:29] Slam clicking as self-care and why new hires need to embrace the recharge
[13:10] Hotel routines, Hot Logic meals, and checking for murderers
[15:37] Exploring vs. the gym—where we stand on post-flight movement
[16:40] Art, books, beaches, and finding joy in every destination
[17:51] Solo adventures, crew bonding, and the unexpected magic of good energy
[20:12] The postcard tradition—how Rich captures every layover memory
[22:21] First layovers, flight school nerves, and moments we’ll never forget
[23:38] Paying it forward—coffee, postcards, and taking care of each other
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Ever wondered if you should be tipping your flight attendants? In this episode, we break down the complex world of in-flight tipping and gifting. We dive into what tipping means in our industry, the fine line between appreciation and expectation, and why a genuine "thank you" can go further than a $5 bill. We also share some of our favorite (and cringiest) experiences receiving treats, tips, and thoughtful surprises in the sky. We talk all things passenger courtesy, the psychology of gifting, and how the culture of tipping affects the airline world. Plus, Rich shares a wild layover story from a pilot friend in our “What Would Two Guys Do?” segment that had Drew in tears. 

 

Episode Highlights:

[0:00] - Should passengers be tipping flight attendants? Let's talk about it.
[1:22] - Drew's heartwarming layover story with a new hire who just gets it.
[3:25] - Rich escapes to Boston while navigating the non-rev jungle (and shares some StaffTraveler hacks).
[5:48] - We dig into tipping—why it’s complicated, appreciated, and sometimes awkward.
[10:03] - Comparing tipping vs. gifting: is one better than the other?
[12:00] - The problem with performative gifting—expecting upgrades or perks.
[14:25] - Creative and actually useful gifts that flight attendants love.
[17:19] - PSA: Be a kind passenger—sometimes, that’s more appreciated than any gift.
[19:13] - Take off your headphones and speak up! A rant about common courtesy in the cabin.
[22:54] - Story Time! A pilot’s hilarious confession about a misdirected, uh… delivery.
[26:04] - Keep your stories coming and a special thanks to our Patreon fam.

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Ever wondered how we flight attendants actually plan our lives around the chaos of air travel? In this episode, we're pulling back the curtain on the mystery of our schedules. From the strategies we use (or don’t) when bidding for monthly trips, to how our contracts shape our work rules, we’re breaking it all down in a way only two seasoned crew members can. And no, we don’t just work weekdays or fly the same routes over and over again. We’re diving into why one of us crams all the hours into just a few days, while the other is constantly swapping trips for something “better.” Plus, we wrap it up with a jaw-dropping listener story.

 

Episode Highlights:

[0:00] Welcome aboard! Talking about schedule questions we get all the time.
[0:50] Our very different bidding strategies and why they work (or don’t).
[2:45] Drew’s high-hour strategy vs. Rich’s hunt for easy trips.
[4:24] FAA rules vs. contract differences—why every airline plays by its own rules.
[6:39] Are you a “bid right away” or “last minute” type? (Spoiler: Rich is chaos).
[10:39] The real reason Rich can’t quit flight attendant life.
[14:35] Flying 10-12 days a month sounds light, but here’s the catch.
[17:20] Canceled or delayed? The behind-the-scenes chaos you don’t see.
[20:20] Why “holiday busy” is real—but so is spring break and random weekends.
[22:17] Listener Story: The most unhinged in-flight couple we’ve ever heard of.

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