In 2005, Roger Bacon's son Matthew was one of the many British service personnel killed whilst serving in Iraq. Jason Clasby worked with Matthew and was sitting next to him when he died. As they told Eddie Mair, despite meeting briefly at the Chilcott inquiry, the two men had never sat down to talk about what happened, until now, ten years after Matthew's death. In the second part of this interview, they discuss how they deal with day to day life.