Barry Smith met when Karel started year 7 in Tenterfield and fell in love. Coming from a troubled family life Karel could have let a difficult upbringing lead her down a path of anger and bad decisions. Instead it gave her the drive to create the best version of herself and live an amazing life with husband Barry. From traveling the world while raising a family and starting her own business, Karel's story so far is a fascinating one.

This episode is best listened to with the Barry Smith episodes. Two sides of the same incredible story.

Please be aware that some listeners may find parts of this episode distressing as topics like mental illness and sexual assault are discussed.