The following is a conversation recorded live from Contact in the Desert, which is a beautiful renaissance Indian Wells Resort & Spa, which is a 22-acre retreat, currently hosting the worlds largest UFO/UAP conference, bringing everyone in the community together.

In this episode our UAP family Dorje Meta and Dr Jess Mena-Garcia joined Tom and I live from the event to discuss their experiences so far, what they’ve seen and who they’ve met. 

Both Dorje and Jess have been on the podcast before and are both amazing human beings. They really are two of the coolest people on Earth and I’m blessed to be able to call them friends.