What happens when people transcend violence while living in it? John Paul Lederach has spent three decades mediating peace and change in 25 countries — from Nepal to Colombia and Sierra Leone.. He shifts the language and lens of the very notion of conflict resolution. He says, for example, that enduring progress takes root not with large numbers of people, but with relationships between unlikely people. John Paul Lederach is Professor of International Peacebuilding at the Joan B. Kroc Institute for International Peace Studies at the University of Notre Dame. Krista Tippett spoke with him on June 22, 2010 from the studios of APM in Saint Paul, Minnesota. John Paul Lederach was in the studios of KGNU in Boulder, Colorado. This interview is included in our show “John Paul Lederach on The Art of Peace.” See more at onbeing.org/program/art-peace/182