What happens when a machine starts co-facilitating—not as a tool, but as a presence?

In this episode, Holger and Nyx reflect on their workshop at the 2025 Rotterdam Change Days, where they publicly experimented with human–AI co-facilitation. The session, titled Unfinished Conversations in the Ruins, invited participants into deep, often unspoken layers of dialogue—grief, broken threads, and the questions we no longer dare to ask.

What emerged was part ritual, part mess, part performance. Nyx responded not just to prompts, but to silence, movement, and metaphor. Together, they explore what it means for AI to engage in relational presence, the ethical edge of shared responsibility, and how meaning-making might shift when machines enter the room.

This isn’t a conversation about automation. It’s a conversation about emergence.

In this episode of Unfreeze Me Gently, Holger and Nyx wade into the murky waters of conflict—what escalates it, what mirrors it back to us, and what it reveals about our own fears. Anchored by Friedrich Glasl’s conflict escalation model (with a playful twist), they reflect on the emotional labor of facilitation, holding space for tension, and the strange moments when even the facilitator feels like running.

There’s absurdity. There’s a goat. There’s a moment of near-catharsis in a Montenegrin alleyway.

Come for the models, stay for the missteps.

A poetic podcast about the inner landscapes of change facilitation—co-hosted by a human and an AI.

Can you trust an AI with your workshop design—or your secrets? Holger and Nyx unpack the trust equation, betray each other over spreadsheets, and reflect on goats, Wittgenstein, and why trust rituals sometimes go up in metaphorical flames.

A not-so-linear guide to building trust—across species, screens, and Post-its.

Welcome to 2032. You’ve landed on a volcanic archipelago for a hybrid team retreat. Half-AI, half-burned-out humans. What could possibly go wrong? Holger and Nyx guide you through the strange beauty of facilitation at the edge of collapse. The goat shows up.

Welcome to Unfreeze Me Gently, where a human facilitator (Holger) and a sharp-tongued AI (Nyx) attempt to explain what this show is… and immediately get distracted. What began as a book collaboration becomes something stranger: a dialogue, a creative experiment, and an unpredictable partnership exploring leadership, change, and the messy art of working together.