In this episode of The Confab,  Max sits down with Barry (Podhome) and ChadF to chart where independent podcasting is headed and why Podcasting 2.0 still matters. They dig into keeping speech free via open RSS, the practical trade-offs of centralized platforms, and how value-for-value actually works in the wild—from Lightning boosts to Monero tips, funding tags and fiat donation pages. 

Barry shares Podhome’s ethos (don’t deplatform lawful speech), its all‑in features for creators, and what’s next on the product roadmap. ChadF traces the lineage from No Agenda to today’s Podcast Index, explains the messy reality of wallets, Keysend vs LNURL, and why onboarding listeners is the real nut to crack. 

Max, Barry and ChadF also cover chapters and artwork as creative glue, treating your show like a business without expecting it to pay the bills, and why word‑of‑mouth still grows the best shows. If you were ever wanting to start a podcast, then there's some really good advice to get going.

ChadF closes with his recent “vibe coding” builds, including a self‑hosted music player for The Doerfels and his StableKraft app that curates value‑for‑value music into a proper listening experience—all pushing the open, independent future we want to see.

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(00:00:00) INTRO

(00:00:42) BOOSTS

(00:06:24) Podcasting Royalty Joins the Show

(00:08:26) The Origins of Podhome

(00:10:48) The Podcast Whisperer

(00:15:06) State of the Ecosystem

(00:28:36) V4V Pain

(00:32:37) Banks & Boosts

(00:36:35) The FUNDING Tag

(00:39:35) Boost Culture

(00:45:55) Starting a Podcasting 2.0 Podcast

(00:58:24) Value Comes in Many Forms (H/T Silas)

(01:02:53) Why Podhome?

(01:05:55) Chad Builds DeMu Players

(01:09:26) Chad Crafts StableKraft

(01:11:33) Let's Pull The Plug