In CARRY ON, WARRIOR Glennon Doyle saved herself from addiction, then in LOVE WARRIOR she saved her marriage, but now we deep dive into her new memoir, UNTAMED, where she lets it all go wild and untames her inner cheetah. *** Kate settles in on the couch and opens herself up to guidance and wisdom and Carinn shares much of her own personal journey to becoming untamed. *** We end with a debate about whether the untamed woman is tolerable in society. Untamed Carinn says no one likes her, and Kate thinks the world wants us back in our cages. But ultimately we believe this book is aspirational, and this podcast helps bridge the gap from caged to complicated to untamed.

Show segments:

*** Glennon hands us the “The Four Keys” on how to unlock yourself and become untamed. We examine and turn them all: FEEL, KNOW, IMAGINE and LET IT BURN.

*** FEEL. "Pain is not tragic, pain is magic,” according to Glennon, but it's a process. (02:44)

*** Control is one way we try to avoid the feeling. (16:43) 

*** And what about all the productivity and keeping busy? Is it a coping mechanism to avoid feeling all the feelings or is it just how we’re wired? Glennon forces Kate & Carinn to look inside themselves for these answers. (27:24)

*** KNOW. Carinn figured out the second key, like Glennon, on the floor of her closet in her LA apartment. Kate is struggling to silence the mess in her brain long enough to hear the knowing and wonders if you can find it on a meditation app; and even if you find it, how the heck do you trust it? Little by little it seems. (37:49)

*** IMAGINE. Carinn wants everyone to customize their pre-fabricated lives, like she does with adventure. Kate has a great imagination, but is fascinated by Glennon’s instructions about how to get from “not this” to “this instead” Moving from dreaming to doing requires putting pen to paper, speaking your truth out loud and finding expanders! (54:00) 

*** Kate and Carinn stop to pause and worship at the altar of this profound insight from Liz Gilbert: “There is no such thing as one way liberation.” (67:39)

*** Carinn wonders if there is a danger to having too good of an imagination? Do some people imagine themselves into the knowing without doing all the steps beforehand of feeling and knowing? (75:00)

*** LET IT BURN. As two fire signs, the fourth key is our favorite. Carinn shares how she likes to burn down before imagining, but doesn’t recommend it! Kate thinks people get paralyzed with this step -- stuck in the abyss between imagining and burning it down. (80:13)

*** Glennon hits home with her insightful comments about the view so many women hold of motherhood as martyrdom and challenges whether good mothers can break their children’s hearts in order to follow their own. (91:00)

*** Carinn and Kate agree that Abby is a real highlight in the book. From Glennon’s description of feeling desire for the first time in her life to what Abby has taught her about love...it is all so good. (95:50)

*** What didn’t we love? Carinn questions whether telling the book in hindsight sanitizes the story. Where is the actual mess? Are complaints about braids and a cute race scene as bad as it gets? (102:35)

*** We end with a debate about whether the untamed woman is tolerable in society. Untamed Carinn says no one likes her, and Kate thinks the world wants us back in our cages. But ultimately we believe this book is aspirational, and this podcast helps bridge the gap from caged to complicated to untamed. (110:00)

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